X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: day@pop.theworld.com Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:32:34 -0400 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: John Day Subject: Re: [MapHist] David Woodward's course on the history of cartography; Rare Book School, Univ. of Virginia, March 2004 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new But you left out the most important piece of information: Is this going to be an easy A?! Sorry people, I couldn't resist. (Now be honest how may had the same thought?) Take care, John Details have just been posted. The general site is: <. The specific link to David Woodward's course is: <. The formal title is: Introduction to the History and Preservation of Maps. An application form is available via the first link. I suspect this will be fairly popular, and would suggest you not wait until the last minute to apply, as the courses are quite small (usually 12 or fewer people). The suggested reading list will be posted later. From the course description: "Although this course is intended to introduce map history, participants will derive most from the course if they have already been exposed to the problems in understanding maps and who might eventually take advanced courses in this subject at Rare Book School. Such participants might include rare book librarians, conservators, map librarians, map collectors, and map dealers." Joel Kovarsky X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:30:35 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] Using digital 3D topographic maps as tools for historic analysis Cc: a.newcombe@ecu.edu.au X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from [Adam Newcombe ] Dear Peter, I have only just discovered your discussion page through the Humanist site. Would you please post this request up for people to think about I'm an academic here in Perth, Western Australia and am in the midst of my doctorate studies. I'm interested in applying Edward Tufte's ideas on visualized data to elements of the history of Van Diemens Land. This idea of visualizing history comes out of a study I've made on the unfolding cartographic history of the Island of Tasmania. There are a number of event histories in the early years of Tasmania history where I believe these visualizing methodologies and use of 3D cartographic maps may indeed reveal interesting results. They include, European settlement and indigenous outrage and dispersal, sealing and seal colony destruction, convicts versus settler dispersal and indeed the structures of convict populations. This visualizing of history seems to be a very new field although historical documentaries have been making use of digital graphic 3D presentations for a number of years. I was hoping you may be able to suggest someone else or some research centre which has done extensive work in this area. Any help, advice or contacts you could offer me would be very much appreciated. With many thanks Sincerely Adam Adam Newcombe Coordinator Graphics and Design School of Contemporary Arts Edith Cowan University Perth, WA a.newcombe@ecu.edu.au 08 9370 6605 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: philaprint@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:33:30 -0400 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: The Philadelphia Print Shop Subject: [MapHist] Jedidiah Morse variant maps... X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new I asked this question before, but thought I would try one more time before I gave up....

We have three maps that in all likelihood came out of one Jedidiah Morse's publications, perhaps the American Universal Geography.   The three maps are, however, unlisted anywhere that we can think to look, though they are very similar to the more standard Morse state maps. 

The one thing they have in common is that they are engraved by "Gridley," or "E.G. Gridley"  (that is Enoch G. Gridley)

"Virginia."  No author, but this appears to be very close to the map of VA listed by Wheat & Brun as number 571, including the use of "Onaucook" for Onancock.

"A Map of the States of Newhampshire and Vermont. by J. Denison."  We happen to have a copy of Wheat & Brun 188, and this map is the same except for the change of engravers and the fact that it obviously is a reengraving.  I can find no other differences.

"Map of Massachusetts, from the best Authorities, By A. Adams."  This is quite different than the usual Morse Mass (Wheat & Brun 219), which was actually the least satisfactory of Morse's maps (incomplete use of surveys and western part of state in an inset).  This map shows teh whole state in one map and it is fully detailed throughout.

The last map is quite interesting both in its difference from the usual Morse, but also because I can find no record of an "A. Adams" as a cartographer.  He/she is certainly not listed in the new Tooley and I cannot find it anywhere else.

My guess is that these were re-engravings issued in a later edition of Morse's Geography when the original plates were worn, probably early 19th century.  The Massachusetts was changed dramatically because of the unsatisfactory nature of the original, but the others seem to have been made as close as possible.  Whether the other states were done also by Gridley we have no idea, as we can find no listing at all of these maps nor of any similar maps by Gridley.

If anyone has information on these maps, I'd be grateful to hear of it.  Also, if any institution has any early 19th century volumes by Morse from which these maps might come and this can be checked, it might make a useful addition to our knowledge of early American cartography.

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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:26:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Jedidiah Morse variant maps... From: Penny L.Richards To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 11:33 AM, The Philadelphia Print Shop wrote: > > The last map is quite interesting both in its difference from the > usual Morse, but also because I can find no record of an "A. Adams" as > a cartographer.  He/she is certainly not listed in the new Tooley and > I cannot find it anywhere else. > By co-incidence, today is the birthday (October 2) of Hannah Adams (1755-1831), who was involved in a decade-long battle with former friend Jedidiah Morse over his school textbook version of her popular _Summary History of New England_. She was working on her own textbook abridgement when he rushed his into print and scooped her out of some sales. The mention of "A. Adams" and the subject matter in the description above makes me wonder if there's a connection to this controversy. If so, maybe the following will be useful (besides looking for that schooltext, which Adams titled _An Abridgement of the History of New England, for the Use of Young Persons_ (1804)): Michael J. Everton, "The Courtesies of Authorship: Hannah Adams and Authorial Ethics in the Early Republic," _Legacy: A Journal of American Women Writers_ (forthcoming, 2003). Adams, Hannah. _A narrative of the controversy between the Rev. Jedidiah Morse, D.D. and the author_ (Boston: Sold by Cummings and Hilliard, Bradford and Read, and Isaiah Thomas, jun., John Eliot, printer, 1814). Available on microfilm. Penny L. Richards PhD Research Scholar, UCLA Center for the Study of Women Co-editor, H-Education and H-Disability turley2@earthlink.net _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:20:58 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: Re: [MapHist] Jedidiah Morse variant maps... X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Message was html-encoded From: "Harold Osher" For what it's worth, a map titled "New England/by/ASHUR ADAMS" appeared in A Compendious History of New England..by Jedidiah Morse and Elijah Parish. My copy is of the second edition published at Newburyport by Thomas E. Whipple, 1809. Harold L. Osher, MD Osher Map Library, University of Southern Maine 314 Forest Avenue, Portland, ME 04104 Tel: (207) 780-4850 Fax: (207) 780-5310 email: osherh@hotmail.com www.usm.maine.edu/maps ----Original Message Follows---- From: The Philadelphia Print Shop Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Jedidiah Morse variant maps... Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:33:30 -0400 I asked this question before, but thought I would try one more time before I gave up.... "Map of Massachusetts, from the best Authorities, By A. Adams." This is quite different than the usual Morse Mass (Wheat & Brun 219), which was actually the least satisfactory of Morse's maps (incomplete use of surveys and western part of state in an inset). This map shows teh whole state in one map and it is fully detailed throughout. The last map is quite interesting both in its difference from the usual Morse, but also because I can find no record of an "A. Adams" as a cartographer. He/she is certainly not listed in the new Tooley and I cannot find it anywhere else. If anyone has information on thes e maps, I'd be grateful to hear of it. Thanks, Chris Lane The Philadelphia Print Shop, Ltd. 8441 Germantown Avenue Philadelphia, PA 19118 (215) 242-4750 (215) 242-6977 [fax] philaprint@philaprintshop.com www.philaprintshop.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:21:58 -0400 From: Steve Hanly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Jedidiah Morse variant maps... X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new The Philadelphia Print Shop wrote:
....

We have three maps that in all likelihood came out of one Jedidiah Morse's publications, perhaps the American Universal Geography.   The three maps are, however, unlisted anywhere that we can think to look, though they are very similar to the more standard Morse state maps.

The one thing they have in common is that they are engraved by "Gridley," or "E.G. Gridley"  (that is Enoch G. Gridley)
...
"Map of Massachusetts, from the best Authorities, By A. Adams."  This is quite different than the usual Morse Mass (Wheat & Brun 219), which was actually the least satisfactory of Morse's maps (incomplete use of surveys and western part of state in an inset).  This map shows teh whole state in one map and it is fully detailed throughout.

The last map is quite interesting both in its difference from the usual Morse, but also because I can find no record of an "A. Adams" as a cartographer.  He/she is certainly not listed in the new Tooley and I cannot find it anywhere else.

My guess is that these were re-engravings issued in a later edition of Morse's Geography when the original plates were worn, probably early 19th century.  The Massachusetts was changed dramatically because of the unsatisfactory nature of the original, but the others seem to have been made as close as possible.  Whether the other states were done also by Gridley we have no idea, as we can find no listing at all of these maps nor of any similar maps by Gridley.

If anyone has information on these maps, I'd be grateful to hear of it.  Also, if any institution has any early 19th century volumes by Morse from which these maps might come and this can be checked, it might make a useful addition to our knowledge of early American cartography.

Thanks, Chris Lane

Chris,

With respect to the Massachusetts map, at least, I believe your guess is correct.  In the undocumented past, I'm quite certain I traced the Adams/Gridley map of Massachusetts to the 4th edition of Morse's The American Universal Geography, Boston, 1802.  That edition was illustrated with 28 maps and charts.  You should be able to confirm this by consulting the Microopaque edition of Early American Imprints, Second Series; no. 2698, produced by the American Antiquarian Society.

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 18:03:16 +1300 From: Michael Ross Subject: [MapHist] Les Portulans Francais To: "Maphist@Geog. Uu. Nl" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new In 1930 la Bibliotheque del la Ville de Lyon published a paper "Les Portulans Francais" by P.L.G. Langois and Charles de la Ronciere. This paper included reproductions from a Dieppe-style atlas c.1550 (Wallis) - pp.25.38,pl.XVI-XXVII. One plate relates to the area from Java to the Antarctic. I am trying to locate a copy of the work, in particular that image. I would appreciate any assistance list members can offer. Thanks Michael ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Ross Voice: +64.21.897.889 Fax: +64.21.218.2166 michael.ross@clear.net.nz Legal Notice: The information in this electronic mail message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to, or use of, this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is not authorised. Please delete all copies of this message if you are not the intended addressee. __________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 18:50:48 +1300 From: Michael Ross Subject: RE: [MapHist] Les Portulans Francais To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new my apologies...I should have noted that I have emailed the Bibliotheque del la Ville de Lyon for assistance. If a list member can assist with an image for research purposes that would be greatly appeciated Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl > [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl]On Behalf Of Michael Ross > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 6:03 PM > To: Maphist@Geog. Uu. Nl > Subject: [MapHist] Les Portulans Francais > > > In 1930 la Bibliotheque del la Ville de Lyon published a paper "Les Portulans Francais" by P.L.G. > Langois and > Charles de la Ronciere. This paper included reproductions from a Dieppe-style atlas c.1550 (Wallis) - > pp.25.38,pl.XVI-XXVII. One plate relates to the area from Java to the Antarctic. > > I am trying to locate a copy of the work, in particular that image. I would appreciate any assistance list > members can offer. > > Thanks > > Michael > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael Ross > Voice: +64.21.897.889 > Fax: +64.21.218.2166 > michael.ross@clear.net.nz > > > Legal Notice: > The information in this electronic mail message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It > is intended > solely for the addressee. Access to, or use of, this Internet electronic mail message by anyone else is not > authorised. Please delete all copies of this message if you are not the intended addressee. > __________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] Blaeu leaves Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:37:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new

   Today at the Oak Knoll Book Fest in New Castle (DE), I was talking to one of the fancy printers and he said he saved the non-map text from a Blaeu atlas (unspecified) about to be used as scrap, the maps having been removed.  He plans to issue a pamphet (no doubt overpriced) with an original text leaf in each copy.  The Publisher is Heavenly Monkey, 1138 Li8ly St., Vancouver, BC V5L 4H6 Canada with a website listed as http://www.heavenlymonkey.com .
 
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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 23:34:29 -0400 From: "George R. Crossman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Petermann's Planet, Vol. I X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new As many members of Maphist know, Juergen Espenhorst and I have been working for some time on an English language companion to his 1994 bibliography of German handatlases from the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, "Andree, Stieler, Meyer & Co." Originally intended to be just a translation of the German text in that work, the project has grown over the intervening years. New discoveries, and new insights into the history of this important era, soon made it clear that the result would be a much-expanded two-volume work. Volume I, entitled "Petermann's Planet, Guide to the Great Handatlases," has now been published. It comprises some 684 pages, with over 500 illustrations, most of them in color, as well as detailed documentation referenced in over 1700 footnotes. It covers the six major handatlas families listed in Part A of the 1994 bibliography: Weimar, Stieler, Meyer, Sohr-Berghaus, Andree and Debes, as well as an in-depth discussion of the unique problems of atlas printing and binding encountered during the nineteenth century. Volume II, which we hope to complete in another 3-4 years, will cover the remaining 50+ additional small but important atlas families listed in Parts B, C, and D of the bibliography. The book was introduced at the 20th International Conference on the History of Cartography at Harvard University this past June, and was very well received. It should be of interest to many Maphist members. The price is Euro 90, or $97, plus applicable taxes and shipping and handling charges. Ordering information is available from or . Additional detailed information is posted on the maptrade listserv. George Crossman _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Roderick M. Barron" To: "Map Hist List" Subject: [MapHist] Late 19th Century Greek Cartographer - E R Lazarides Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:01:19 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Roderick M. Barron Antique Map Specialist P.O.Box 67 Sevenoaks Kent TN13 3WW ENGLAND Tel/Fax: +44-1732-742558 website : http://www.barron.co.uk e-mail : rod@barron.co.uk VAT Reg No.GB 602 6465 60 I am seeking further biographical information & details of Atlas / Map publications by the late 19th Century Greek mapmaker, ER Lazarides of Athens. He is not listed in Tooley's Dictionary of Mapmakers. Any help or input would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks Rod Barron _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: fac-fbap@unix.mail.virginia.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:31:50 -0400 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Rare Book School Subject: [MapHist] Map History and Preservation Course X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new [Cross-posted. Please excuse any duplication.] RARE BOOK SCHOOL (RBS) is pleased to announce its Winter and Early Spring Sessions 2004, a collection of five-day, non-credit courses on topics concerning rare books, manuscripts, the history of books and printing, and special collections to be held at the University of Virginia. FOR AN APPLICATION FORM and electronic copies of the complete brochure and the RBS Expanded Course Descriptions, providing additional details about the courses offered and other information about RBS, visit our Web site at: http://www.rarebookschool.org Subscribers to the list may find the following Rare Book School course to be of particular interest: 22 (H-65). INTRODUCTION TO THE HISTORY AND PRESERVATION OF MAPS (MONDAY-FRIDAY, 8-12 MARCH) This course is intended for those who seek a general overview of the technical and cultural aspects of the history of maps so these documents can be effectively understood and described as both artifacts and cultural texts. This course will consist of multimedia lectures, with workshop exercises using original materials. The first two days address questions related to the authenticity and physical quality of maps, globes, and atlases and how these were drawn, printed, and colored from pre-classical times to the pre-digital era. This section will build an introductory vocabulary and understanding of the map as artifact. The remaining days provide an overview of why maps, plans, views, and charts were made and how these objects were used historically: taxation; administration; warfare; wayfinding; and organizing geographical and cultural knowledge in both literal and metaphorical ways. Major format changes and technological transitions in mapmaking and their cultural impact will be discussed. The course will introduce some theoretical issues in the current scholarship on map history, but its focus will be on developing an appreciation for maps as material objects. DAVID WOODWARD is Arthur H. Robinson Professor of Geography Emeritus at the University of Wisconsin. He is the General Editor of the University of Chicago Press's multi-volume History of Cartography. His many books and articles include Maps As Prints in the Italian Renaissance (1996 [the 1995 Panizzi Lectures]) and The All-American Map (1977). _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:19:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitris Loupis Subject: Re: [MapHist] Late 19th Century Greek Cartographer - E R Lazarides To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Dear Mr Barron, Some years ago I have contributed to the New Tooley's Dictionary of Mapmakers with entries on Modern Greek cartography among others. I have no information on whether they were used or not for the second volume onwards. The short (according to the publisher's instructions) entry on Lazarides was as: Lazaridis, Her. Europaiki kai Asiatiki Tourkia [Turkey of Europe and Turkey of Asia], Athens 1860 [in Greek]; Khartes tis Ellados [Maps of Greece], Athens 1860 [in Greek]. Ref. The Cartography of Hellenism: One Hundred Years (1830-1930) from the Archives Collection. Exhibition Catalogue (Athens 1992) p. 55. You may consult the following publications, which I do not have in hand in order to check at the moment, for possible more information: TOLIAS, George. The Cartography of Hellenism: One Hundred Years (1830-1930) from the Archives Collection. Exhibition Catalogue (Athens 1992). TOLIAS, George. Greek Cartography in Print, 16th-19th centuries from the Gennadius Library Collection, exhibition catalogue compiled by T. G. (Athens: Gennadius Library, 1999). The Map Library of Greece in Thessaloniki has a collection of modern maps. Its staff may be of assistance to your query: http://www.maplibrary.gr Sincerely, Dimitris Loupis Dept. of History Bilkent University Ankara - TR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Karen Pinto Subject: [MapHist] Proceedings of Athens Conference Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:55:01 GMT X-AUB-IP: 192.168.166.3 X-Mailer: AUB WebMail X-AUBnet-Receipt: fast.aub.edu.lb at 2003-10-06 18:54:58 X-AUBnet-Osender: kp02@aub.edu.lb X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Dmitri, What news of the publication? Just wondering when my article will be out. Thanks. Hope all is well with you and George. best, Karen Karen Pinto Asst. Professor Civilization Sequence Program American University of Beirut _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Map Collector Publications Ltd" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Late 19th Century Greek Cartographer - E R Lazarides Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:41:50 +0100 Organization: Map Collector Publications Ltd X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new That is because you should be using the revised edition of Tooley which has just been published and does list him (albeit briefly). Volume III K-P. Valerie Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roderick M. Barron" To: "Map Hist List" Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:01 PM Subject: [MapHist] Late 19th Century Greek Cartographer - E R Lazarides > > Roderick M. Barron > Antique Map Specialist > P.O.Box 67 > Sevenoaks > Kent TN13 3WW > ENGLAND > Tel/Fax: +44-1732-742558 > website : http://www.barron.co.uk > e-mail : rod@barron.co.uk > VAT Reg No.GB 602 6465 60 > > > I am seeking further biographical information & details of Atlas / Map > publications by the late 19th Century Greek mapmaker, ER Lazarides of > Athens. > He is not listed in Tooley's Dictionary of Mapmakers. > Any help or input would be greatly appreciated. > Many thanks > Rod Barron > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:36:02 -0700 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Len Berggren Subject: Re: [MapHist] Late 19th Century Greek Cartographer - E R Lazarides X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new I'm sorry I didn't see the original query that prompted this interesting response, so I don't know if what I'm going to say is very helpful. But - anyway - the Bank of Cyprus (Trapeza Kyprou) has been an active collector and publisher of the cartographic history of Cyprus. And they have published a number of beautiful and informative books on the topic. If anyone is interested in further details please contact me. Len Berggren >Dear Mr Barron, > >Some years ago I have contributed to the New Tooley's >Dictionary of Mapmakers with entries on Modern Greek >cartography among others. I have no information on whether >they were used or not for the second volume onwards. The >short (according to the publisher's instructions) entry on >Lazarides was as: > >Lazaridis, Her. Europaiki kai Asiatiki Tourkia [Turkey of >Europe and Turkey of Asia], Athens 1860 [in Greek]; Khartes >tis Ellados [Maps of Greece], Athens 1860 [in Greek]. Ref. >The Cartography of Hellenism: One Hundred Years (1830-1930) >from the Archives Collection. Exhibition Catalogue (Athens >1992) p. 55. > >You may consult the following publications, which I do not >have in hand in order to check at the moment, for possible >more information: > >TOLIAS, George. The Cartography of Hellenism: One Hundred >Years (1830-1930) from the Archives Collection. Exhibition >Catalogue (Athens 1992). > >TOLIAS, George. Greek Cartography in Print, 16th-19th >centuries from the Gennadius Library Collection, exhibition >catalogue compiled by T. G. (Athens: Gennadius Library, >1999). > >The Map Library of Greece in Thessaloniki has a collection >of modern maps. Its staff may be of assistance to your >query: > >http://www.maplibrary.gr > >Sincerely, > >Dimitris Loupis >Dept. of History >Bilkent University >Ankara - TR > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info -- Prof. J. L. Berggren Department of Mathematics Simon Fraser University 8888 University Drive, Burnaby, B.C. Canada V5A 1S6 Phones: 604-291-3335 (Office); 604-291-4947 (Fax) 604-936-2268 (Home) _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] Atlas article Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:34:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new
   The October 2003 of AMERICAN LIBRARIES has the article "The $ecret Inside Your Library's Atlases: Reexamine your collection and how to protect it - before someone else does" by Kathleen Weessies, map librarian an Michigan State, East Lansing, on pp.49-51.
 
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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "John Wight" To: Subject: [MapHist] Doctoral Study in History of Cartography Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:42:31 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new

Can any of the good people of this list recommend a program of doctoral study that allows an emphasis in the history of cartography? I'm particularly interested in a program that would allow me to study maps as historical artifacts (or as material culture, social constructs, and cognitive systems). I am aware of two programs that might allow for such work: History of Culture at the University of Chicago and Trans-Atlantic History at the University of Texas, Austin. I am interested in locations in the US or Europe. Thank you for your suggestions.

John Wight

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Try Rutgers University, Department of Geography. No actual courses on the subject, but you can do your research for dissertation on that , covering many of the Ph.D credits needed (e.g. 24?)   Rutgers is based in New Brunswick, N.J. but campus where Dept of Geography is lcoated is just across the Raritan River, in Piscataway, N.J.
 
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On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:42:31 -0600 "John Wight" <johnwight@zeroz.biz> writes:

Can any of the good people of this list recommend a program of doctoral study that allows an emphasis in the history of cartography? I'm particularly interested in a program that would allow me to study maps as historical artifacts (or as material culture, social constructs, and cognitive systems). I am aware of two programs that might allow for such work: History of Culture at the University of Chicago and Trans-Atlantic History at the University of Texas, Austin. I am interested in locations in the US or Europe. Thank you for your suggestions.

John Wight

 
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:31:47 -0400 From: Bert Johnson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Doctoral Study in History of Cartography X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new John Just a note of clarification. The Transatlantic History Program is at the University of Texas at Arlington, not Austin. If you are not familiar with Arlington, it is a suburban city of about a quarter million located between Dallas and Fort Worth, but slightly to the south. The UTA library has an excellent cartographic history collection. It is also the unofficial home of the Texas Map Society, which meets there each October (spring meetings elsewhere in the state). UTA also hosts the Virginia Garrett Lectures on the History of Cartography every two years (even numbered). I am not affiliated with the school in any way except as a member of the Texas Map Society, but I have long been impressed with the faculty members and library staff that I have met through the activities of that group, both as people and as scholars. Bert Johnson John Wight wrote: > Can any of the good people of this list recommend a program of > doctoral study that allows an emphasis in the history of cartography? > I'm particularly interested in a program that would allow me to study > maps as historical artifacts (or as material culture, social > constructs, and cognitive systems). I am aware of two programs that > might allow for such work: History of Culture at the University of > Chicago and Trans-Atlantic History at the University of Texas, Austin. > I am interested in locations in the US or Europe. Thank you for your > suggestions. > > John Wight > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Ptolemy's Geographia X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.6a January 17, 2001 From: Mark.Brown@dpiwe.tas.gov.au Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:34:24 +1100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SV-HBT-LND-DM07/HBT/DPIF/AU(Release 6.0.2CF1|June 9, 2003) at 07/10/2003 12:36:28 PM, Serialize complete at 07/10/2003 12:36:28 PM X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new
I read with interest about the discovery of a previously unknown copy of Ptolemy's Geographia found at the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul.

Initial studies by a team lead by Florian Mittenhuber state that early results show the map is significantly different from the 1406 version.

This is probably old news to some of you, but it caught my eye.

cheers
Mark
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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:12:28 -0700 Subject: [MapHist] a cross-post from VICTORIA From: Penny L.Richards To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new This seems like a question for the map-hist community...I know there are some female-form maps out there, maybe someone can point Melisa Summy to some examples. She's not on map-hist (to my knowledge), so you'll have to respond to her directly. Penny L. Richards PhD Research Scholar, UCLA Center for the Study of Women Co-editor, H-Education and H-Disability turley2@earthlink.net From: Melisa Summy Date: Mon Oct 6, 2003 5:25:46 PM US/Pacific To: VICTORIA@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Subject: Re: Nation as Female / Woman as National Symbol Reply-To: VICTORIA 19th-Century British Culture & Society Dear Victoria(ns), I am putting together a syllabus on nineteenth-century representations (although I'm open to stretching the century a little bit either way) of nations as female or using a particular woman (real or fictional) as a national symbol. Any suggestions of scholarly treatments of this topic or of information about particular visual representations - statues, paintings, cartoons, or images would be greatly appreciated. I am taking a Transatlantic approach to the class, so texts or images that feature Britain and America, or Britain and Africa, the Caribbean, etc... are also welcome. If you or a colleague can suggest texts or images that are strictly American, I would welcome those suggestions off list. Melisa Summy Department of English Miami University Oxford, Ohio 45014 summyma@muohio.edu _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [216.160.166.6] X-Originating-Email: [lda_cud@msn.com] From: "Lisa Davis Allen" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Doctoral Study in History of Cartography Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:41:43 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2003 03:41:43.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECCF0DB0:01C38C84] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new John I believe that the Trans-Atlantic History Program is at the University of Texas at Arlington. Lisa Dr. Lisa Davis Allen Visual Arts Department University of Colorado Denver ldavisal@carbon.cudenver.edu >From: "John Wight" >Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >To: >Subject: [MapHist] Doctoral Study in History of Cartography >Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:42:31 -0600 > >Can any of the good people of this list recommend a program of doctoral >study that allows an emphasis in the history of cartography? I'm >particularly interested in a program that would allow me to study maps as >historical artifacts (or as material culture, social constructs, and >cognitive systems). I am aware of two programs that might allow for such >work: History of Culture at the University of Chicago and Trans-Atlantic >History at the University of Texas, Austin. I am interested in locations in >the US or Europe. Thank you for your suggestions. > >John Wight _________________________________________________________________ Instant message during games with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:07:38 +0800 Subject: [MapHist] Maps, sealers and Van Diemens Land From: Adam Newcombe To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Hi Folks, I have a some questions which some of you may know the answers to. The first is a technical cartographic question. Why are the names of coastal towns on 19th century (Mainly British) maps of Tasmania curved like waves. Was this common practice and if so why? The second question is an American history question. What sort of maritime maps would the sealing and whaling captains of the early nineteenth century, have used to find their way to the Bass Straight sealing grounds off the coast of Van Diemens Land. And does anybody know who the main keepers of this slice of American history are. (The Bass Straight and Southern ocean whalers) Any help would be much appreciated Adam -- Adam Newcombe Coordinator Graphics and Design Coordinator on-line education School of Contemporary Arts ECU Perth, WA 9370 6605 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Maura O'Connor" To: "'maphist@geog.uu.nl'" Subject: RE: [MapHist] Maps, sealers and Van Diemens Land Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:26:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Dear Mr Newcombe Thank you for your interesting enquiry. Others more familiar than I on printing styles may care to answer the first question. May I suggest that it is not common, looking at Tooley's Printed maps of Tasmania, which has a nice set of poor reproductions of many of the maps listed. As you suggested some like Lizars curve the names of the bays or channels - such as Storm Bay and D'Entrecasteaux Channel - to fit rather long names into a small space. The rest of the place names are straight. So it is a combination of prominence of the geographic feature, and the space available to print it on the map surface without covering another feature. Flinders, D'Entrecasteaux and a few others had pretty well mapped both Bass Straight and Tasmania by the beginning of the 19th century. Flinders' charts were then taken up by the British Admiralty and constantly updated until the Royal Australian Navy took over in the 20th century. American whaling captains would have used these maps, plus the likes of the magnificent Maury whaling charts, issued during the 1840's: [Maury's wind & current charts]. 1 atlas ; 67 cm. ser. A. Wind and current charts -- ser.B. Trade wind charts -- ser. C. Pilot charts -- ser. D. Thermal charts -- ser. E. Storm and rain charts -- ser. F. Whaling charts (sheets in each series numbered separately for various ocean areas) 1) Title from spine. 2) A bound collection of a series of charts dated from 1849 to 1853, issued by M.F. Maury, supt. of U.S. Naval Observatory. 3) Sheets no. 1-8 of Wind and current charts of North Atlantic. Ser. A are 3rd ed. There are others such as those issued by Espinosa (2 eds). The National Library of Australia has a significant collection of maritime charts relating to the Australian coastline, plus quite a few ms logbooks used by early mariners and whalers in the area, particularly during the 19th century. There will also be collections in the USA which others can advise you about. I am happy to discuss this further with you offlin. Yours sincerely Maura O'Connor Map Curator National Library of Australia CANBERRA ACT 2600 AUSTRALIA Phone : 61 2 6262 1280 Fax : 61 2 6262 1653 Email : moconnor@nla.gov.au > ---------- > From: Adam Newcombe[SMTP:a.newcombe@ecu.edu.au] > Reply To: maphist@geog.uu.nl > Sent: Tuesday, 7 October 2003 4:07 PM > To: maphist@geog.uu.nl > Subject: [MapHist] Maps, sealers and Van Diemens Land > > Hi Folks, > > I have a some questions which some of you may know the answers to. The > first is a technical cartographic question. > Why are the names of coastal towns on 19th century (Mainly British) maps > of > Tasmania curved like waves. Was this common practice and if so why? > > The second question is an American history question. > What sort of maritime maps would the sealing and whaling captains of the > early nineteenth century, have used to find their way to the Bass Straight > sealing grounds off the coast of Van Diemens Land. And does anybody know > who > the main keepers of this slice of American history are. (The Bass Straight > and Southern ocean whalers) > > Any help would be much appreciated > > Adam > > -- > Adam Newcombe > Coordinator Graphics and Design > Coordinator on-line education > School of Contemporary Arts > ECU > Perth, WA > 9370 6605 > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:09:59 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] La Rouge map X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from ["Ovidiu Sandor" ] I am looking for details on a map by La Rouge. Any information on the map or mapmaker will be appreciated. Does anyone know if copies are present in some libraries? Internet searches in the catalogs did not lead to any results. Title above frame: Moldavie Septentrionale - A Paris Chez le Rouge In the lower right corner the following text: CARTE / DE LA MOLDAVIE / Dressee Sue celle du Prince Cantimir/Dans la quelle j'ai simplement pour la Partie Meridionalle, La Septenle est resuite d'apres la Frontiere du Royaume de Pologne, de Mr. Zannoni is sera facile de juger par cet Echantillon, ce que deviendra cet excellent Ouvrage Si desire les Materiaux, destines a la perfection de la susdite Pologne, me font croire qu 'elle sera infiniment superieure a toutes celles qui ont paru jusqui a present. On souscrit chez le Rouge Geograph du Roy, Rue de Augostines. La Souscription est de 48 Livre et on recoit les 6 Feuilles, qui paroisent actuellement qu'on ne delivre qu'aux Souscripteurs. A Paris. Aout 1770 49 x 66,5 cm on two plates (north side and south side) I would appreciate a lot if someone would help with the translation. Thanks, Ovidiu Sandor _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: day@pop.theworld.com Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:42:11 -0400 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: John Day Subject: Re: [MapHist] Maps, sealers and Van Diemens Land X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Adam, > >The second question is an American history question. >What sort of maritime maps would the sealing and whaling captains of the >early nineteenth century, have used to find their way to the Bass Straight >sealing grounds off the coast of Van Diemens Land. And does anybody know who >the main keepers of this slice of American history are. (The Bass Straight >and Southern ocean whalers) I would point you at Mystic Seaport (http://mysticseaport.com) and the Kendall Institute at the New Bedford Whaling Museum (http://www.whalingmuseum.org/kendall/index_KI.html). Both have extensive libraries and collections on the sealing trade, including logs, diaries, and maps. I suggest you contact Mike Dyer at the Kendall. Actually, the annual Whaling Symposium is held in 2 weeks with attendees from all over the world. There isn't anything on sealing this year but there has been in years past. Take care, John Day _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Givat97@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:47:19 EDT Subject: Re: [MapHist] Doctoral Study in History of Cartography To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new John,

Many British universities would allow you to research for a PhD in the history of cartography without the need to take taught units for credit. This could allow you to earn a PhD in three years. All you need to do is identify who is currently active in cartographic research and write to them, asking about the possibilities of doing research with them. The only problem is likely to be the fees charged by most British universities (about $12,000 a year for a non-E.U. citizen).

If you need further information, you can contact me off list.

Peter Collier

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John,

Many British universities would allow you to research for a PhD in the history of cartography without the need to take taught units for credit. This could allow you to earn a PhD in three years. All you need to do is identify who is currently active in cartographic research and write to them, asking about the possibilities of doing research with them. The only problem is likely to be the fees charged by most British universities (about $12,000 a year for a non-E.U. citizen).

If you need further information, you can contact me off list.

Peter Collier

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:46:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Doctoral Study in History of Cartography To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Anna Friedman" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new John, I can vouch for UC's History of Culture (I'm ABD there right now)! Contact me off list for more info... Anna *************************** Anna Felicity Friedman Assistant Curator, History of Astronomy Adler Planetarium & Astronomy Museum 1300 South Lake Shore Drive Chicago, IL 60605 1 312 322-0527 phone 1 312 341-9935 fax anna_friedman@adlernet.org _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: ben.frank@mailroom.wap.org Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:45:50 -0400 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Ben Frank Subject: Re: [MapHist] Doctoral Study in History of Cartography X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new How about Clark University in Worcester, Mass? BMF -- Benis M. Frank _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist-digest@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Larry Nederlof" To: Subject: [MapHist] RE: MapHist-digest V1 #489 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:20:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new With reference to the question of Ovidiu Sandor concerning the La Rouge map, I think that Ovidiu would be able to find out a lot more if he looks for LE Rouge and not LA Rouge! The average quality of Le Rouge's printing is in effect very very good if not simply superior, at least in his timeframe. Larry Nederlof (larryn@microseconds.com) -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist-digest@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist-digest@pop.geog.uu.nl] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:00 PM To: maphist-digest@pop.geog.uu.nl Subject: MapHist-digest V1 #489 MapHist-digest Wednesday, October 8 2003 Volume 01 : Number 489 In this issue: [MapHist] Maps, sealers and Van Diemens Land RE: [MapHist] Maps, sealers and Van Diemens Land [MapHist] La Rouge map Re: [MapHist] Maps, sealers and Van Diemens Land Re: [MapHist] Doctoral Study in History of Cartography Re: [MapHist] Doctoral Study in History of Cartography Re: [MapHist] Doctoral Study in History of Cartography Re: [MapHist] Doctoral Study in History of Cartography See http://www.maphist.nl for information about MapHist. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:07:38 +0800 From: Adam Newcombe Subject: [MapHist] Maps, sealers and Van Diemens Land Hi Folks, I have a some questions which some of you may know the answers to. The first is a technical cartographic question. Why are the names of coastal towns on 19th century (Mainly British) maps of Tasmania curved like waves. Was this common practice and if so why? The second question is an American history question. What sort of maritime maps would the sealing and whaling captains of the early nineteenth century, have used to find their way to the Bass Straight sealing grounds off the coast of Van Diemens Land. And does anybody know who the main keepers of this slice of American history are. (The Bass Straight and Southern ocean whalers) Any help would be much appreciated Adam - -- Adam Newcombe Coordinator Graphics and Design Coordinator on-line education School of Contemporary Arts ECU Perth, WA 9370 6605 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:26:29 +1000 From: "Maura O'Connor" Subject: RE: [MapHist] Maps, sealers and Van Diemens Land Dear Mr Newcombe Thank you for your interesting enquiry. Others more familiar than I on printing styles may care to answer the first question. May I suggest that it is not common, looking at Tooley's Printed maps of Tasmania, which has a nice set of poor reproductions of many of the maps listed. As you suggested some like Lizars curve the names of the bays or channels - such as Storm Bay and D'Entrecasteaux Channel - to fit rather long names into a small space. The rest of the place names are straight. So it is a combination of prominence of the geographic feature, and the space available to print it on the map surface without covering another feature. Flinders, D'Entrecasteaux and a few others had pretty well mapped both Bass Straight and Tasmania by the beginning of the 19th century. Flinders' charts were then taken up by the British Admiralty and constantly updated until the Royal Australian Navy took over in the 20th century. American whaling captains would have used these maps, plus the likes of the magnificent Maury whaling charts, issued during the 1840's: [Maury's wind & current charts]. 1 atlas ; 67 cm. ser. A. Wind and current charts -- ser.B. Trade wind charts -- ser. C. Pilot charts -- ser. D. Thermal charts -- ser. E. Storm and rain charts -- ser. F. Whaling charts (sheets in each series numbered separately for various ocean areas) 1) Title from spine. 2) A bound collection of a series of charts dated from 1849 to 1853, issued by M.F. Maury, supt. of U.S. Naval Observatory. 3) Sheets no. 1-8 of Wind and current charts of North Atlantic. Ser. A are 3rd ed. There are others such as those issued by Espinosa (2 eds). The National Library of Australia has a significant collection of maritime charts relating to the Australian coastline, plus quite a few ms logbooks used by early mariners and whalers in the area, particularly during the 19th century. There will also be collections in the USA which others can advise you about. I am happy to discuss this further with you offlin. Yours sincerely Maura O'Connor Map Curator National Library of Australia CANBERRA ACT 2600 AUSTRALIA Phone : 61 2 6262 1280 Fax : 61 2 6262 1653 Email : moconnor@nla.gov.au > ---------- > From: Adam Newcombe[SMTP:a.newcombe@ecu.edu.au] > Reply To: maphist@geog.uu.nl > Sent: Tuesday, 7 October 2003 4:07 PM > To: maphist@geog.uu.nl > Subject: [MapHist] Maps, sealers and Van Diemens Land > > Hi Folks, > > I have a some questions which some of you may know the answers to. The > first is a technical cartographic question. > Why are the names of coastal towns on 19th century (Mainly British) maps > of > Tasmania curved like waves. Was this common practice and if so why? > > The second question is an American history question. > What sort of maritime maps would the sealing and whaling captains of the > early nineteenth century, have used to find their way to the Bass Straight > sealing grounds off the coast of Van Diemens Land. And does anybody know > who > the main keepers of this slice of American history are. (The Bass Straight > and Southern ocean whalers) > > Any help would be much appreciated > > Adam > > -- > Adam Newcombe > Coordinator Graphics and Design > Coordinator on-line education > School of Contemporary Arts > ECU > Perth, WA > 9370 6605 > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 09:09:59 +0200 From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] La Rouge map Non-member submission from ["Ovidiu Sandor" ] I am looking for details on a map by La Rouge. Any information on the map or mapmaker will be appreciated. Does anyone know if copies are present in some libraries? Internet searches in the catalogs did not lead to any results. Title above frame: Moldavie Septentrionale - A Paris Chez le Rouge In the lower right corner the following text: CARTE / DE LA MOLDAVIE / Dressee Sue celle du Prince Cantimir/Dans la quelle j'ai simplement pour la Partie Meridionalle, La Septenle est resuite d'apres la Frontiere du Royaume de Pologne, de Mr. Zannoni is sera facile de juger par cet Echantillon, ce que deviendra cet excellent Ouvrage Si desire les Materiaux, destines a la perfection de la susdite Pologne, me font croire qu 'elle sera infiniment superieure a toutes celles qui ont paru jusqui a present. On souscrit chez le Rouge Geograph du Roy, Rue de Augostines. La Souscription est de 48 Livre et on recoit les 6 Feuilles, qui paroisent actuellement qu'on ne delivre qu'aux Souscripteurs. A Paris. Aout 1770 49 x 66,5 cm on two plates (north side and south side) I would appreciate a lot if someone would help with the translation. Thanks, Ovidiu Sandor _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:42:11 -0400 From: John Day Subject: Re: [MapHist] Maps, sealers and Van Diemens Land Adam, > >The second question is an American history question. >What sort of maritime maps would the sealing and whaling captains of the >early nineteenth century, have used to find their way to the Bass Straight >sealing grounds off the coast of Van Diemens Land. And does anybody know who >the main keepers of this slice of American history are. (The Bass Straight >and Southern ocean whalers) I would point you at Mystic Seaport (http://mysticseaport.com) and the Kendall Institute at the New Bedford Whaling Museum (http://www.whalingmuseum.org/kendall/index_KI.html). Both have extensive libraries and collections on the sealing trade, including logs, diaries, and maps. I suggest you contact Mike Dyer at the Kendall. Actually, the annual Whaling Symposium is held in 2 weeks with attendees from all over the world. There isn't anything on sealing this year but there has been in years past. Take care, John Day _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:47:19 EDT From: Givat97@aol.com Subject: Re: [MapHist] Doctoral Study in History of Cartography - --part1_128.329f56fe.2cb43a07_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, Many British universities would allow you to research for a PhD in the history of cartography without the need to take taught units for credit. This could allow you to earn a PhD in three years. All you need to do is identify who is currently active in cartographic research and write to them, asking about the possibilities of doing research with them. The only problem is likely to be the fees charged by most British universities (about $12,000 a year for a non-E.U. citizen). If you need further information, you can contact me off list. Peter Collier - --part1_128.329f56fe.2cb43a07_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John,

Many British universities would allow you to research for a PhD in the histo= ry of cartography without the need to take taught units for credit. This cou= ld allow you to earn a PhD in three years. All you need to do is identify wh= o is currently active in cartographic research and write to them, asking abo= ut the possibilities of doing research with them. The only problem is likely= to be the fees charged by most British universities (about $12,000 a year f= or a non-E.U. citizen).

If you need further information, you can contact me off list.

Peter Collier

- --part1_128.329f56fe.2cb43a07_boundary-- _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:50:32 +0200 From: "Dov Gavish" Subject: Re: [MapHist] Doctoral Study in History of Cartography This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C38D0C.44707310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Shana Tova to you all, Haya and Dov _______________________________________ Dr. Dov Gavish * Department of Geography The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel 91905 Tel: +972-2-6718678 * Fax: +972-2-6725241 DovGavish@huji.ac.il http://geography.huji.ac.il/personal/Gavish/Gnewcv.htm Air Photo Archive: http://www.photogis.huji.ac.il ******************************************************************** ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Givat97@aol.com=20 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [MapHist] Doctoral Study in History of Cartography John, Many British universities would allow you to research for a PhD in the = history of cartography without the need to take taught units for credit. = This could allow you to earn a PhD in three years. All you need to do is = identify who is currently active in cartographic research and write to = them, asking about the possibilities of doing research with them. The = only problem is likely to be the fees charged by most British = universities (about $12,000 a year for a non-E.U. citizen).=20 If you need further information, you can contact me off list. Peter Collier - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C38D0C.44707310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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John,

Many British universities would = allow you to=20 research for a PhD in the history of cartography without the need to = take=20 taught units for credit. This could allow you to earn a PhD in three = years.=20 All you need to do is identify who is currently active in cartographic = research and write to them, asking about the possibilities of doing = research=20 with them. The only problem is likely to be the fees charged by most = British=20 universities (about $12,000 a year for a non-E.U. citizen).

If = you=20 need further information, you can contact me off list.

Peter=20 Collier

- ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C38D0C.44707310-- _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:46:32 -0500 From: "Anna Friedman" Subject: Re: [MapHist] Doctoral Study in History of Cartography John, I can vouch for UC's History of Culture (I'm ABD there right now)! Contact me off list for more info... Anna *************************** Anna Felicity Friedman Assistant Curator, History of Astronomy Adler Planetarium & Astronomy Museum 1300 South Lake Shore Drive Chicago, IL 60605 1 312 322-0527 phone 1 312 341-9935 fax anna_friedman@adlernet.org _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:45:50 -0400 From: Ben Frank Subject: Re: [MapHist] Doctoral Study in History of Cartography How about Clark University in Worcester, Mass? BMF - -- Benis M. Frank _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info ------------------------------ End of MapHist-digest V1 #489 ***************************** List Information: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:42:51 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] New Historical Atlas of the Arctic X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Non-member submission from [Bruce Ward ] MapHist members might like to know about the new Historical Atlas of the Arctic that has just been published. It contains high-quality reproductions of over 300 maps dating from the 1500s to the present, illustrating Arctic exploration and geographical knowledge, the search for both the Northwest and Northeast Passages, early attempts to sail over the Pole, and later attempts to reach the Pole, including attempts by air in balloons, airships, planes, and submarines. The cheapest method of acquiring a copy, should you wish to, is at the Canadian arm of Amazon, Amazon.ca, where the 30% off makes it about $52 Canadian (about$39 US). The link is http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/1553650042/qid=1064635270/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_0_1/702-3466283-0005662 (Regular retail is $75 Canadian, $60 US). Some further details are at the author's web page http://www.derekhayes.ca/ Derek is also the author of: these other historical atlases. They have been well received for their extensive use of original coloured maps and the accompanying precise text on the historical significance of the expedition. Historical Atlas of British Columbia and the Pacific Northwest (1999) Historical Atlas of the Pacific Northwest (US edition, 1999) First Crossing: Alexander Mackenzie, His Expedition Across North America, and the Opening of a Continent (2001) Historical Atlas of the North Pacific Ocean (2001) Historical Atlas of Canada: Canada's History Illustrated with Original Maps (October 2002) Historical Atlas of the Arctic (October 2003) The following is an extract from publishers blurb: This beautifully-illustrated atlas brings together more than three hundred stunning original maps to illustrate four centuries of Arctic exploration. It charts the evolution of man's knowledge of the top of the world as explored by sail, steam, sledge, and satellite. The maps of early Arctic explorers, often more fanciful than realistic, survive as testimony to their hopes and dreams. Whether artistic or utilitarian, they add a fresh perspective to the stories of their travels and hardships. Collected here for the first time, they show how knowledge of the Arctic was revealed as gaps in the map were filled in over the centuries. The maps are accompanied by an insightful commentary detailing the hopes, aspirations, and motivation of explorers and the often harsh realities they faced. All the major Arctic explorations are covered, from the middle of the sixteenth century to the twentieth-century flights by airship and airplane. The atlas describes the search for and achievement of the Northwest and Northeast Passages, the race for the Pole, and the search for land in the Arctic Ocean. It concludes with modern scientific exploration by satellite and submarine. It is a unique guide to the perils and obstacles, successes and failures, triumphs and tragedies of Arctic exploration over the centuries. Bruce Ward President, Map Society of B..C. wardbruce@shaw.ca _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Ed Dahl" To: "MAPHIST (to post)" Subject: [MapHist] New book: Val Ross, THE ROAD TO THERE Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:43:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new A publisher's press release for a new children's book about maps. Ed Dahl, 1292 Montée Paiement, Gatineau, Québec J8R 3K5 TEL: (819) 561-4029 FAX: (819) 561-7753 edahl@iosphere.net ***** FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE The Road to There: Mapmakers and Their Stories by Val Ross For thousands of years, children have wearily called from the back seats of cars, and carts and boats, and maybe even chariots, the dreaded phrase: "Are we there yet?" It's enough to make any parent's skin crawl. In The Road to There, Val Ross helps us realize that the road to "there" is unique and fascinating in its own right. What children do not understand, but surely must learn, is that the road to "there" is as important, often, as finally arriving. With a love of maps as her driving force, Val Ross presents us with the men and women who made the maps we use to find our way in the world. From road maps to sailor's charts, from quilts and song lines to gilded parchment covered in jewel-tones, to computer printouts, we are taken down a wild path, exploring both the history of maps, and the great stories behind their creation. Maps offer information, and information is power. The Road to There is full of the unexpected: from fraud artists who deliberately distorted maps for political gain; to Captain Cook; to runaway slaves who found their way with the help of specially pieced quilts. Val Ross sees maps as a way to give public names, and public access, to regions that are mysterious. This is a book about the people that have made those mysterious regions accessible to us. The Road to There is filled with reproductions of some of the most important maps in history. There are "time capsules" that highlight cartographic developments through time that provide brief, key information about man's journey from here to there, and beyond. Val Ross is an award-winning journalist, highly respected throughout the publishing industry for her coverage of books and the people who create them. She is deputy comment editor at the Globe and Mail. This is her first book. Publication Date: September 23, 2003 160 pages | CDN$28.99 | hardcover non-fiction | 0-88776-621-8 | Ages 11+ Alison Morgan Director of Publicity & Marketing Tundra Books 481 University Ave., Suite 900 Toronto, Ontario M5G 2E9 Ph 416-598-4786 ext. 268 Fax 416-598-0247 amorgan@mcclelland.com www.tundrabooks.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Matthew Champion" To: "Maphist" Subject: [MapHist] 16th century engravers Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:05:53 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Dear All I am currently trying to find any details of an engraver (of maps amongst other things) who operated in the middle decades of the 16th century. Examples of his work are signed with a monogram so his initials are therefore either JF or FJ. It is unlikely that he was operating in England and the evidence would seem to suggest that he was based in either France or the Low Countries (it may also be possible that he was operating out of Heidelberg). I know this really is not a very great deal of information to go on but would appreciate any help or ideas. Many thanks in advance Matthew J. Champion _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl, lis-maps@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [MapHist] Reminder re E.G.R. Taylor Annual Lecture (2003) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:51:22 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new

Something I ought to have done by Friday last (3 October) but which I did not do:-

 

May I remind subscribers to 'MapHist' and to 'Lis-Maps' - and anyone else to whom this reminder could be forwarded - that the 2003 E.G.R. Taylor Annual Lecture will take place here on Tuesday next 14 October?  Strictly speaking (or writing) the deadline for ordering the post-Lecture candle-lit supper has past.  This afternoon I am assured by the caterers, however, that orders may be taken *until tomorrow (Friday) 10 October at 14.00 hours*.  After that one should expect either to sit 'below the salt' or below the table, and hope for scraps.

 

Francis Herbert

f.herbert@rgs.org

 

 

E.G.R. TAYLOR  ANNUAL  LECTURE

 

 

The Eva G.R. Taylor Annual Lecture for 2003 will take place at 18.30 hours on Tuesday 14 October in The Ondaatje Theatre, Royal Geographical Society (with IBG), 1 Kensington Gore, London SW7 2AR.  The Lecturer will be Professor Corradino Astengo of the Istituto di Geografia, Università di Genova, who will speak on 'Mediterranean portolan charts of the 14th to 17th century'.  There will be a small exhibition relating to the subject in display cases outside the New Map Room.  

 

Professor Astengo, an authority on this type of charting, covers a subject close to Professor Taylor's interests in navigation.  His Elenco preliminare di carte ed atlanti nautici manoscritti : eseguiti nell'area mediterranea nel periodo 1500-1700 e conservati presso enti pubblici  (Genova : Istituto di Geografia, Università di Genova, 1996), of 47 pages, is presently the most up-to-date and thorough published listing - with locations - of such materials.  He has contributed the chapter 'The chart tradition in the Mediterranean' for volume 3 'Cartography in the European Renaissance' of the multi-volume and continuing 'The History of Cartography Project'.  This Project is based at the Department of Geography, University of Wisconsin, Madison and, since 1987, two volumes (in four books) have been published by University of Chicago Press of Chicago and London.   They continue to be under the general editorship of Professor David Woodward FRGS, recipient in 2002 of the RGS-IBG's Murchison Award "in recognition of seminal publications on the history of cartography".

 

From 17.30 in the New Map Room - which displays one of the two complete exemplars known of Matteo Ricci's 1644 (or later) world map in Chinese - a 'pay bar' (drinks and sandwiches) will be available.  After the Lecture supper will be served in the candle-lit 'Queen Anne'-style Main Hall at a cost of £22.00 for two courses, with two glasses of wine and coffee.  For the supper please book at least one week in advance (stating if a vegetarian meal is required) with Mrs Gabriela Marques by telephone (44-20-7591-3084) or by e-mail (g.marques@rgs.org).

 

 

Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps)

Royal Geographical Society (with Institute of British Geographers)

1 Kensington Gore

LONDON SW7 2AR

 

f.herbert@rgs.org

http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives']

 

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl, lis-maps@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [MapHist] Globes and maps exhibition on Jersey Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 16:08:44 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new

Opening today, and running daily from 10.00 - *18.00* hours until this Sunday inclusive, is a tripartite exhibition in the Members' Room of the Société Jersiaise, 7 Pier Road, St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands [see http://www.societe-jersiaise.org].   The 'centre piece' consists of over 30 celestial, terrestrial, and 'fantasy' (e.g. 'Alice in Wonderland'/'Alice through the Looking-Glass' celestial) globes, from diameters of 2 inches to 43 inches, produced by Jersey-born James Bissell-Thomas of the Isle of Wight firm of Greaves and Thomas. 

 

The 'framework' is formed chiefly by about 90 original maps and charts of Jersey and of the Channel Islands from 1482 (the 'Ulm Ptolemy') to ca 1860 from the private collection of Jerseyman Peter W. Luce FRGS (and a founder member of IMCoS); apart from one 19th-century manuscript item, that of ca 1860 is a surprisingly detailed map of Jersey to advertise "W.C. Shave, Importer of genuine Havannah cigars & tobacco.  3, Queen St. Jersey".   This collection has never previously been publicly displayed.  Should anyone wish to have a list of the cartographic items exhibited - or of those additional items in Peter Luce's collection - they are welcome to contact him via e-mail: pluce@legallais-luce.com

 

The third part of the exhibition consists of working orreries made - and demonstrated - by Peter Grimwood (member of the Scientific Instrument Society) of Suffolk.

 

Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG)

f.herbert@rgs.org

http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives']

 

 

 

 

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "The Portolan Group-Phil Stover" To: Subject: [MapHist] Can Anyone Help with the Origin of the Placename Aspalaga? Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:55:38 -0400 Organization: The Portolan Group X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [68.57.10.200] at Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:55:39 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new
Many of the early (pre 1820) maps of Florida show the location of the Franciscan mission named "San Juan de Aspalaga" ten miles east of  Tallahassee.  It was destroyed in the early eighteenth century.  The maps also show a village on the Apalachicola River, some 30 miles west of Tallahassee named Aspalaga.   Does anyone know the origin of the word "Aspalaga?"  Possibly a village in Spain?
 
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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:28:15 +0100 From: Ashley Baynton-Williams Organization: MapForum.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: MapHist Subject: [MapHist] MapForum X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new DO NOT USE YOUR EMAIL REPLY FUNCTION TO RESPOND TO THIS ANNOUNCEMENT. MAKE SURE ANY MESSAGE COMES TO ME AND IS NOT SENT TO THE ENTIRE LIST ** Please excuse cross-posting *** I am pleased to announce that, from January next year, MapForum will appear as a quarterly printed journal. At the moment, I am completing the foundations for the journal but further details, and subscription and advertising information, will be available in due course. MapForum.com will be re-structured following the appearance of the printed journal, but I hope to complete the schedule of another two issues this year. Ashley Baynton-Williams info@mapforum.com http://www.mapforum.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" Subject: [MapHist] Gothic Spaces Symposium Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:33:24 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new [this might be of interest to MapHist - Tony Campbell (but please contact the undersigned] Call for papers GOTHIC SPACES SYMPOSIUM 4th May 2004 University of Stirling, Scotland Keynote speakers: Scott Brewster, David Punter Papers are invited on the theme of Gothic Spaces. Aspects of this theme might include the following: Cartography; architecture; spatial theory; the City; internal colonialism; the body; voyages; ontology; political geography; landscape; global terror. Contributions from disciplines other than literary studies are encouraged. Proposals for papers (approximately 25 minutes) should be sent by 15th January 2004 in the form of a 200-300 word abstract to Benjamin Brabon and Stephanie Genz, Department of English Studies, University of Stirling, Stirling FK9 4LA, Scotland or email b.a.brabon@stir.ac.uk or stephanie.genz@stir.ac.uk Dr Clare Bainbridge Acting Subject Co-Ordinator for Literature Department of Lifelong Learning British Association for Victorian Studies _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Al Magary" To: Subject: [MapHist] Ancient World Mapping Center Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:48:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Featured in this week's Internet Scout Report (http://scout.wisc.edu/report/sr/): Ancient World Mapping Center http://www.unc.edu/awmc/ Located at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Ancient World Mapping Center is funded by the UNC College of Arts and Sciences and the American Philological Association. The Center is primarily designed to promote the usage of cartography and geographic information science within the field of ancient studies. The Center's main web page begins with a host of recent news events related to ongoing research dealing with the ancient world from various fields, including geography, archaeology, and history. Equally helpful is the New Sites and Finds area, which gathers together new and useful sites dedicated to investigating various aspects of the ancient world. Of course there is also the map room area where visitors can download any one of a number of detailed maps (many of which have been created by the staff at the Center) of the ancient world. Some of these maps include those of Byzantine Constantinople, Ptolemaic Egypt, and several of ancient Greece. >From The Scout Report, Copyright Internet Scout Project 1994-2003. http://scout.wisc.edu/ -- Al Magary _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Sieradzan Wielsaw" To: Subject: PD: [MapHist] Thomme Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:16:47 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (*) X-Scanned-By: UMK MailServer, MIMEDefang 2.33 (www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new
 
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If somebody knows something about cartographer Heinrich Thomme from Germany (17th century) please inform me. I know very much about his activity in Poland ca. in middle of 17th century.
Thanks
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Hello,
 
you are possibly looking for the military engineer Heinrich Thome, who worked in Germany, Sweden, Poland and in the Baltic states. As far as I know, the dates of his birth and death are unknown but he was active from ca. 1625 to ca. 1655. I suppose that you can find him in the Scandinavian Biographical Archive.
 
Greetings to Poland
 
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If somebody knows something about cartographer Heinrich Thomme from Germany (17th century) please inform me. I know very much about his activity in Poland ca. in middle of 17th century.
Thanks
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:14:27 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: List-owner MapHist Subject: [MapHist] List-owner out of office X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear all I am going for a two weeks on vacation and to the meeting of the Society for the History of Discoveries in New Orleans and will not access internet. During this time I cannot sent any bounced messages (html encoded, non subscribed address etc.) to the list or solve problems with un-s*bscribing. Thus, when you don't see your message appear on the list, resend it the correct way or just wait two weeks. Peter Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" , "*Lismaps" Subject: [MapHist] Map theft from Brazil Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:20:24 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl (forwarded, originally from the ExLibris list, by Tony Campbell) Ladies and gentlemen, Last July, thieves have stolen more than 500 pieces from the Itamarathy Palace Museum, the former headquarters of the Foreign Affair Ministry of Brazil. Just now this was communicated to the public. We, patriots and lovers of Brazilian History, are afraid about the destiny of those priceless ancient maps, important to our culture and our memory. Please, help us in circulating this list. I can translate it, if needed. Following is a partial list of stolen maps and atlases, most from the XVIII century, some from the XVII. MAPS ------- a) 1 prancha nº 3 ( Rio da Prata) do atlas "Estado do Brasil,/ Coligido Das. Mais /Sertas Notícias/ ... por Ioão Teixeira Albernas...1631"; b) nº 640 do PMMBC "Planta do Rio Tieté, ou Añemby, na Capitania de S.Paulo desde a cidade do mesmo nome ... 1788/1789". 250cm x 33cm.; manuscrito aquarelado. Reproduzido na página 263 do livro "Mapa"; c) 11 folhas do Atlas de Van Keulen: 2 alegorias + 9 mapas. Século XVII. Gravuras aquareladas. Obras de grande beleza. Livro "Mapa - Imagens da formação territorial brasileira". Páginas: 25; 41; 47; 48; 81;124; 125;129; 183; 203; 204; 232; 278; e 279. Reproduzem alguns mapas, uma das alegorias, a que representa a América, e aspectos decorativos das peças. Gravuras coloridas. 41 x 25cm (a menor) e 81 x 102 (a maior). d) 3 mapas da [Collecção hidrographica de 15 mappas, desde o Rio de Janeiro a-thé o Rio da Prata, e Buenos Ayres. ... Redigida nos annos de 1819 a 1821 por ocasião do serviço qfês no Brasil o Major Engenheiro F. P.A. Moreira ], folhas 1;5; e 6: 1) Barra do Rio de Janeiro; 5).Villa de Santos e Barras Juntas; e 6) Mappa do Porto de Santos; e) 1 folha + 4 pranchas da "Fazenda Ipanema", conjunto de 13 pranchas com desenhos; perfis; mapas e 1 carta topográfica. f) "Praefecturae Pernambucae pars borealis una cum Praefectura de Itamaraca [et} Praefecturae de Paraiba et Rio Grande.1643"(ed.1647B). Escalas gráficas em milhas diversas. 42 x 104cm Mapas gravados, coloridos, com toques a ouro, montados formando uma única peça. g) Nobilissimis amplissimis & Consultissimis DOMINIS DIRECTORIBUS CELEBERRIME SOCIETATIS INDIAE OCCIDENTALIS. Novam hanc, & accuratam totius Brasiliae, omniumque locorum ductu & auspicio ipsorum faeficissimo occupatorum descriptionem, humilimae venerationis tesserum lubens merito dedicat, consercartque, Humilimus Cliens Wilhelmvs Hondivs. 1635H. Escala gráfica em milhas germânicas. 49 x 142cm. p.126/127. Mapa gravado, colorido, em 4 (quatro) folhas numeradas e superpostas sobre tela, mostrando as capitanias de Pernambuco, Itamaracá, e Paraíba, desde o "Porto Fransico" até ao "Rio Tassoyo". Nomenclatura, ao longo do litoral, em português, holandês e francês. h) [Vista Panorâmica da chegada ao Porto da Villa de Barcellos, na Capitania de São José do Rio Negro, da Expedição de Limites sob o Comando do Capitão General João Pereira Caldas, em 17 de outubro de 1780].P.97. Desenho a nanquim , 28 x 74cm. i) Rio Araguari desde a sua foz até as cabeceiras. 1798. Cópia a nanquim e tinta azul. 74 x 84cm. (Há no acervo uma incompleta, em escala menor, de 44 x 89cm.) j) Carte très curieuse de la Mer du Sud, contenant des remarques nouvelles et très utiles nom seulement sur les ports et îles de cette mer, mais aussi sur les principaux Pays de l'Ámérique tant Septentrionale. que Meridionale, avec les noms & la Route des Voyageurs par que la découverte en été faite. Le Tout pour l'intelligence des dissertations suivantes [Amsterdam, Z. Chatelain, 1732-1739] Gravura a negro. 82 x 142cm. k) A Map of South America containing Tierra Firma, New Granada, Amazonia, Brasil, Peru, Paraguay, Chaco, Tucuman, Chili and Patagonia. London Published by Laurie & White, 1794. Gravura. 98 x 117cm. l) Forte Príncipe da Beira. Levantamento topográphico local, com o plano primitivo do forte. Planta por Hormino Pinheiro, Engenheiro-Ajudante da 4ª Divisão da Estrada deFerro Madeira-Mamoré. Ferroprussiato. 55 x 98,5cm. m) Carta 6ª da costa do Brasil Ao Merediano d'Rio d'Janeiro Dez de a Ponta de Araçatuba athe a Barra do Guaratuba Pelo P. M. Diogo Soares S.J R no Estado do Brasil. 1737. Manuscrito a nanquim colorido a lápis de cor. 19 x 32cm. (No canto superio esquerdo há uma anotação do Barão do Rio Branco. n) ... Viagem que fes o Soldado Dragõ [!] Joaq.m Vieira Passos, a companha-do demais 2 Dragoens e 12 Pedestres. Sendo assim executado por ordem do ILL.mo E Exmo. General da Capitania de Mato Grosso no Mes de Outubro de 1791. Manuscrito a nanquim e aquarela. 40 x 23cm. o) [Mapa que mostra a Capitania de Goiás e a região ao sul até o rio da Prata. Francisco Tosi Colombina (?) ca 1756]. Manuscrito a nanquim em papel encorpado. 88 x 48cm. p) [Mapa do médio Tocantins e região adjacente com as Missões do Duro. Meados do século XVIII]. Manuscrito colorido. 33 x 42cm. p.112. q) Cópia do Borrador Topografico , e Espanhol da Linha Divisória que cita o artigo XII do Tratado Preliminar, e ajusta das distancias athe o o seu ponto final. Cópia aquarelada sobre pergaminho. 25 x 56cm. (O acervo dispõe de uma litografia feita em Lisboa.) r) [Planta da Baía de Paranaguá e região contígua] Cópia manuscrita aquarelada, com predominância dos tons verdes, em papel encorpado, do original manuscrito e colorido que pertence ao Arquivo Histórico Colonial, em Lisboa. 41 x 30 cm. p. 286. s) Mapa Geográfico da Capitania do Seará. Mapa manuscrito a nanquim e aquarela, em papel encorpado. 15 x 17 cm em folha de 34 x 22 cm. p.149. t) Planta do lugar Capital de Pastos bons formado sobre hua Serra e rodiado de Matos com cazas q se podem avistar do quartel militar que hé na maior eminencia. Mapa manuscrito, aquarelado. 36 x 24cm. p.139. u) 1ª Seção do caminho de ferro de Pedro 2º que comprehende desde o Campo de Acclamação até Belem ondeprincipia a Serra [ca. 1860] Esboço original a traço de pena, feito pelo Barão Duarte da Ponte Ribeiro. 18 x 51cm. ATLASES ----------- a) Almanach Géographique ou Petit Atlas élémentaire composé de cartes générales et particulieres des differens Empires ... À Paris, Chez Desnos Librairie et Ingénieur-Géographe de Sa Magesté Danoise .. [1770] 32 mapas coloridos. 12 cm. b) Descriptio de L'Isle de Sicile et de ses côtes Maritimes avec les plans de toutes ses Forteresses nouvelles tirés selon l'Etat où elles se trouvent presentement. Vienne d'Áutriche, chez Juan Van Ghelen, Imprimeur de la Magesté Imperiale & Catholique ... 1719. c) Atlas Maior. F.ci de Wit. Amstelodami cum Privilegio Potentissimorum D. D. Ordinum Holandiae et westfrisiae. tot Amsterdam by Frederick de Wit privilegie van de Grootmogende Heeren Staten van Hollant en Westvrieslant. Gravura. Fronf. 78mapas col (dobr.) 53 cm. d) The American Atlas; containing the following maps ... New York, published by John Reid, Bookseller and Stationer, nº 106, Water - Street, 1796. Gravura. 1 f. p. 20, [1] mapas, in-8º. 42 x 27 cm e) Het eerst deel Van Het Brandende Veen, verlichtende Alle de Vafte Kuften ende Eylenden Van geheel Wet-Indien, Beginnende van linie aequinoctiael, ofte Rio Amazonas; ... in Zeeland. t'Amsteldam, Gelfneenden/ Gedruckt en Untgehen door Pieter Goos, in Compagnie met den Autheur. Met Privilegie voor 15 jaren [1675]. Gravura. 3 f. p.62, [1] p. 31 (i.e. 32) mapas coloridos.50cm. f) Atlas de la Navigation et du Commerce Qui se fit dans toutes les parties du monde, expliquant par des Cartes &par des descriptions particulieres de toutes les Côtes e Parts de Mer de lÚnivers, la Nature ... Gravura.96 [2] p. 28 mapas, 6 est. 53 x 32cm. g) Le Petit Atlas Maritime. Recueil de cartes et plans des quatre parties du monde em cinq volumes. Gravura. v. I e II. 33 x 25cm Thank you for your attention, Jose Parrot email: parrot@wnetrj.com.br or parrot@parrot.to If any piece is found or if you have any information, please send an e-mail to icombr@terra.com.br _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. 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Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (unverified) by Mailsweeper.RCAHMS.GOV.UK (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.6) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:20:47 +0100 Received: from pascoe.ucs.ed.ac.uk (pascoe.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.128.240]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.12.6p3/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h9EANeN5013756 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:23:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from pop.geog.uu.nl (pop.geog.uu.nl [131.211.64.17]) by pascoe.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.12.6p3/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h9EANcaX000780 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:23:38 +0100 (BST) Received: by pop.geog.uu.nl (FRW Mail Daemon) id D06826000F; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:23:29 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: maphist-list@geog.uu.nl Received: from localhost (pop.geog.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) by pop.geog.uu.nl (FRW Mail Daemon) with ESMTP id BCA446000E for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:23:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pop.geog.uu.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pop.geog.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08378-01 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:23:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by pop.geog.uu.nl (FRW Mail Daemon, from userid 511) id D6EC76000F; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:23:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Received: from localhost (pop.geog.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) by pop.geog.uu.nl (FRW Mail Daemon) with ESMTP id 84CA66000E for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:23:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pop.geog.uu.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pop.geog.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08339-04 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:23:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from cerberus.uk.clara.net (cerberus.uk.clara.net [195.8.69.103]) by pop.geog.uu.nl (FRW Mail Daemon) with ESMTP id 3ABDD60005 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:23:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [80.168.145.104] (helo=TonyCampbell) by cerberus.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A9MKs-000A91-Fm; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:23:26 +0100 Message-ID: <004101c3923c$c7e3e440$6891a850@TonyCampbell> From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" , "*Lismaps" Subject: [MapHist] Map theft from Brazil Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:20:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: hits=0 tests= version=2.55-local1 X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.33, Sophie 1.42, Sophos Anti-Virus 3.73 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.33 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) (forwarded, originally from the ExLibris list, by Tony Campbell) Ladies and gentlemen, Last July, thieves have stolen more than 500 pieces from the Itamarathy Palace Museum, the former headquarters of the Foreign Affair Ministry of Brazil. Just now this was communicated to the public. We, patriots and lovers of Brazilian History, are afraid about the destiny of those priceless ancient maps, important to our culture and our memory. Please, help us in circulating this list. I can translate it, if needed. Following is a partial list of stolen maps and atlases, most from the XVIII century, some from the XVII. MAPS ------- a) 1 prancha nº 3 ( Rio da Prata) do atlas "Estado do Brasil,/ Coligido Das. Mais /Sertas Notícias/ ... por Ioão Teixeira Albernas...1631"; b) nº 640 do PMMBC "Planta do Rio Tieté, ou Añemby, na Capitania de S.Paulo desde a cidade do mesmo nome ... 1788/1789". 250cm x 33cm.; manuscrito aquarelado. Reproduzido na página 263 do livro "Mapa"; c) 11 folhas do Atlas de Van Keulen: 2 alegorias + 9 mapas. Século XVII. Gravuras aquareladas. Obras de grande beleza. Livro "Mapa - Imagens da formação territorial brasileira". Páginas: 25; 41; 47; 48; 81;124; 125;129; 183; 203; 204; 232; 278; e 279. Reproduzem alguns mapas, uma das alegorias, a que representa a América, e aspectos decorativos das peças. Gravuras coloridas. 41 x 25cm (a menor) e 81 x 102 (a maior). d) 3 mapas da [Collecção hidrographica de 15 mappas, desde o Rio de Janeiro a-thé o Rio da Prata, e Buenos Ayres. ... Redigida nos annos de 1819 a 1821 por ocasião do serviço qfês no Brasil o Major Engenheiro F. P.A. Moreira ], folhas 1;5; e 6: 1) Barra do Rio de Janeiro; 5).Villa de Santos e Barras Juntas; e 6) Mappa do Porto de Santos; e) 1 folha + 4 pranchas da "Fazenda Ipanema", conjunto de 13 pranchas com desenhos; perfis; mapas e 1 carta topográfica. f) "Praefecturae Pernambucae pars borealis una cum Praefectura de Itamaraca [et} Praefecturae de Paraiba et Rio Grande.1643"(ed.1647B). Escalas gráficas em milhas diversas. 42 x 104cm Mapas gravados, coloridos, com toques a ouro, montados formando uma única peça. g) Nobilissimis amplissimis & Consultissimis DOMINIS DIRECTORIBUS CELEBERRIME SOCIETATIS INDIAE OCCIDENTALIS. Novam hanc, & accuratam totius Brasiliae, omniumque locorum ductu & auspicio ipsorum faeficissimo occupatorum descriptionem, humilimae venerationis tesserum lubens merito dedicat, consercartque, Humilimus Cliens Wilhelmvs Hondivs. 1635H. Escala gráfica em milhas germânicas. 49 x 142cm. p.126/127. Mapa gravado, colorido, em 4 (quatro) folhas numeradas e superpostas sobre tela, mostrando as capitanias de Pernambuco, Itamaracá, e Paraíba, desde o "Porto Fransico" até ao "Rio Tassoyo". Nomenclatura, ao longo do litoral, em português, holandês e francês. h) [Vista Panorâmica da chegada ao Porto da Villa de Barcellos, na Capitania de São José do Rio Negro, da Expedição de Limites sob o Comando do Capitão General João Pereira Caldas, em 17 de outubro de 1780].P.97. Desenho a nanquim , 28 x 74cm. i) Rio Araguari desde a sua foz até as cabeceiras. 1798. Cópia a nanquim e tinta azul. 74 x 84cm. (Há no acervo uma incompleta, em escala menor, de 44 x 89cm.) j) Carte très curieuse de la Mer du Sud, contenant des remarques nouvelles et très utiles nom seulement sur les ports et îles de cette mer, mais aussi sur les principaux Pays de l'Ámérique tant Septentrionale. que Meridionale, avec les noms & la Route des Voyageurs par que la découverte en été faite. Le Tout pour l'intelligence des dissertations suivantes [Amsterdam, Z. Chatelain, 1732-1739] Gravura a negro. 82 x 142cm. k) A Map of South America containing Tierra Firma, New Granada, Amazonia, Brasil, Peru, Paraguay, Chaco, Tucuman, Chili and Patagonia. London Published by Laurie & White, 1794. Gravura. 98 x 117cm. l) Forte Príncipe da Beira. Levantamento topográphico local, com o plano primitivo do forte. Planta por Hormino Pinheiro, Engenheiro-Ajudante da 4ª Divisão da Estrada deFerro Madeira-Mamoré. Ferroprussiato. 55 x 98,5cm. m) Carta 6ª da costa do Brasil Ao Merediano d'Rio d'Janeiro Dez de a Ponta de Araçatuba athe a Barra do Guaratuba Pelo P. M. Diogo Soares S.J R no Estado do Brasil. 1737. Manuscrito a nanquim colorido a lápis de cor. 19 x 32cm. (No canto superio esquerdo há uma anotação do Barão do Rio Branco. n) ... Viagem que fes o Soldado Dragõ [!] Joaq.m Vieira Passos, a companha-do demais 2 Dragoens e 12 Pedestres. Sendo assim executado por ordem do ILL.mo E Exmo. General da Capitania de Mato Grosso no Mes de Outubro de 1791. Manuscrito a nanquim e aquarela. 40 x 23cm. o) [Mapa que mostra a Capitania de Goiás e a região ao sul até o rio da Prata. Francisco Tosi Colombina (?) ca 1756]. Manuscrito a nanquim em papel encorpado. 88 x 48cm. p) [Mapa do médio Tocantins e região adjacente com as Missões do Duro. Meados do século XVIII]. Manuscrito colorido. 33 x 42cm. p.112. q) Cópia do Borrador Topografico , e Espanhol da Linha Divisória que cita o artigo XII do Tratado Preliminar, e ajusta das distancias athe o o seu ponto final. Cópia aquarelada sobre pergaminho. 25 x 56cm. (O acervo dispõe de uma litografia feita em Lisboa.) r) [Planta da Baía de Paranaguá e região contígua] Cópia manuscrita aquarelada, com predominância dos tons verdes, em papel encorpado, do original manuscrito e colorido que pertence ao Arquivo Histórico Colonial, em Lisboa. 41 x 30 cm. p. 286. s) Mapa Geográfico da Capitania do Seará. Mapa manuscrito a nanquim e aquarela, em papel encorpado. 15 x 17 cm em folha de 34 x 22 cm. p.149. t) Planta do lugar Capital de Pastos bons formado sobre hua Serra e rodiado de Matos com cazas q se podem avistar do quartel militar que hé na maior eminencia. Mapa manuscrito, aquarelado. 36 x 24cm. p.139. u) 1ª Seção do caminho de ferro de Pedro 2º que comprehende desde o Campo de Acclamação até Belem ondeprincipia a Serra [ca. 1860] Esboço original a traço de pena, feito pelo Barão Duarte da Ponte Ribeiro. 18 x 51cm. ATLASES ----------- a) Almanach Géographique ou Petit Atlas élémentaire composé de cartes générales et particulieres des differens Empires ... À Paris, Chez Desnos Librairie et Ingénieur-Géographe de Sa Magesté Danoise .. [1770] 32 mapas coloridos. 12 cm. b) Descriptio de L'Isle de Sicile et de ses côtes Maritimes avec les plans de toutes ses Forteresses nouvelles tirés selon l'Etat où elles se trouvent presentement. Vienne d'Áutriche, chez Juan Van Ghelen, Imprimeur de la Magesté Imperiale & Catholique ... 1719. c) Atlas Maior. F.ci de Wit. Amstelodami cum Privilegio Potentissimorum D. D. Ordinum Holandiae et westfrisiae. tot Amsterdam by Frederick de Wit privilegie van de Grootmogende Heeren Staten van Hollant en Westvrieslant. Gravura. Fronf. 78mapas col (dobr.) 53 cm. d) The American Atlas; containing the following maps ... New York, published by John Reid, Bookseller and Stationer, nº 106, Water - Street, 1796. Gravura. 1 f. p. 20, [1] mapas, in-8º. 42 x 27 cm e) Het eerst deel Van Het Brandende Veen, verlichtende Alle de Vafte Kuften ende Eylenden Van geheel Wet-Indien, Beginnende van linie aequinoctiael, ofte Rio Amazonas; ... in Zeeland. t'Amsteldam, Gelfneenden/ Gedruckt en Untgehen door Pieter Goos, in Compagnie met den Autheur. Met Privilegie voor 15 jaren [1675]. Gravura. 3 f. p.62, [1] p. 31 (i.e. 32) mapas coloridos.50cm. f) Atlas de la Navigation et du Commerce Qui se fit dans toutes les parties du monde, expliquant par des Cartes &par des descriptions particulieres de toutes les Côtes e Parts de Mer de lÚnivers, la Nature ... Gravura.96 [2] p. 28 mapas, 6 est. 53 x 32cm. g) Le Petit Atlas Maritime. Recueil de cartes et plans des quatre parties du monde em cinq volumes. Gravura. v. I e II. 33 x 25cm Thank you for your attention, Jose Parrot email: parrot@wnetrj.com.br or parrot@parrot.to If any piece is found or if you have any information, please send an e-mail to icombr@terra.com.br _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*Maps-L" , "*Liber-GdC" , "*Lismaps" , "*MapHist" Subject: [MapHist] Imago Mundi - latest developments Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:12:40 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Announcements about Imago Mundi ------------------------------------- JSTOR will soon digitize and mount on their website < http://www.jstor.org > the complete run of Imago Mundi back issues from 1935 to 2002. Once that operation has been completed, the back issues will be available, via library subscription, in a way that matches the online access to the current journal. This will give academic users the chance to search, and make full use of, the wealth of articles and other material contained in those 54 back issues and all forthcoming volumes. This is a momentous development, and one directly attributable to the high standing in which the journal is now held. Congratulations to the Editor and all members of the editorial team for that. At this stage, the precise timescale has not been notified to us but it is our understanding that JSTOR wish to proceed without much delay. There will, of course, be an announcement once Imago Mundi is available on the JSTOR website. We can also confirm that the 2003 volume (No. 55) has now been published. Copies will presumably be sent out shortly. When you see the volume, what you will first notice is how little the appearance has changed. The delay this year is directly attributable to various problems encountered in handing over the publication of Imago Mundi to Routledge Journals (Taylor & Francis). Despite that, the first of the future half-yearly issues (due for publication early in 2004) has gone off to press, on time. We do not anticipate a recurrence of the problems that delayed Vol. 55. Imago Mundi Prize ------------------- "It is with great pleasure that we announce the new biennial 'Imago Mundi Prize'. This will be awarded for the Imago Mundi article judged to have made the most significant contribution to the discipline. The Prize will be awarded for the first time in 2005 for the best article to have been published in the 2003 and 2004 issues (volume 55 and the two-part volume 56). The winner will receive $1000 and will automatically qualify for a J.B. Harley Travel Award to the next International Conference on the History of Cartography (Budapest, July 2005). The winner will also receive a certificate, which, if they are able to attend, will be presented to them at the conference. Full articles will be eligible for the Prize, but not short articles, since it is only full length articles that are subject to the (anonymous) refereeing process before acceptance for publication. Directors of Imago Mundi Ltd (who will take it in turns to serve on the panel of judges) will not be eligible. His fellow Directors wish to give warm thanks to Kenneth Nebenzahl for his generous sponsorship of this Prize. Board of Directors, Imago Mundi Ltd." Tony Campbell Chairman, Imago Mundi Ltd **************************************** t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk 76 Ockendon Road London N1 3NW UK Phone: 020 7359 6477 International: +44 20 7359 6477 http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/titles/03085694.html [subscriptions and sales - Taylor & Francis (Routledge)] http://www.maphistory.info/imago.html [journal content] ******************************************* _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl, libergdc-dg@bravo.nls.uk Cc: lis-maps@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [MapHist] FW: (Fwd) Historical Maps and plates stolen in Brazil Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:22:34 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl This list of manuscript and printed maps (and complete atlases) stolen in July has just been supplied to another list; I forward it for everyone's information. Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG) f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] -----Original Message----- From: CulPropProtNet/MuSecNetwork [mailto:securma@xs4all.nl] Sent: 13 October 2003 02:54 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: (Fwd) Historical Maps and plates stolen in Brazil ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: "Parrot" To: Subject: Historical Maps and plates stolen in Brazil Ladies and gentlemen, Last july, thieves have stolen more than 500 pieces from the Itamarathy Palace Museum, the former headquarter of Foregein Affair Ministery of Brazil. Just now thiswas communicated to thepublic. We, patriots and lover of Brazilian History, are affraid about the destin of those pricelessancient maps, important to our culture and our memory. Please, help us in divulging this list. I can translate it, if needed. Following, a partial list of stolen maps and atlas, most from the XVIII century, some from the XVII. Also, attached, isa list ofcollections with photographs and plates. MAPS a) 1 prancha nº 3 ( Rio da Prata) do atlas "Estado do Brasil,/ Coligido Das. Mais /Sertas Notícias/ ... por Ioão Teixeira Albernas...1631"; b) nº 640 do PMMBC "Planta do Rio Tieté, ou Añemby, na Capitania de S.Paulo desde a cidade do mesmo nome ... 1788/1789". 250cm x 33cm.; manuscrito aquarelado. Reproduzido na página 263 do livro "Mapa"; c) 11 folhas do Atlas de Van Keulen: 2 alegorias + 9 mapas. Século XVII. Gravuras aquareladas. Obras de grande beleza. Livro "Mapa - Imagens da formação territorial brasileira". Páginas: 25; 41; 47; 48; 81;124; 125;129; 183; 203; 204; 232; 278; e 279. Reproduzem alguns mapas, uma das alegorias, a que representa a América, e aspectos decorativos das peças. Gravuras coloridas. 41 x 25cm (a menor) e 81 x 102 (a maior). d) 3 mapas da [Collecção hidrographica de 15 mappas, desde o Rio de Janeiro a-thé o Rio da Prata, e Buenos Ayres. ... Redigida nos annos de 1819 a 1821 por ocasião do serviço qfês no Brasil o Major Engenheiro F. P.A. Moreira ], folhas 1;5; e 6: 1) Barra do Rio de Janeiro; 5).Villa de Santos e Barras Juntas; e 6) Mappa do Porto de Santos; e) 1 folha + 4 pranchas da "Fazenda Ipanema", conjunto de 13 pranchas com desenhos; perfis; mapas e 1 carta topográfica. f) "Praefecturae Pernambucae pars borealis una cum Praefectura de Itamaraca [et} Praefecturae de Paraiba et Rio Grande.1643"(ed.1647B). Escalas gráficas em milhas diversas. 42 x 104cm Mapas gravados, coloridos, com toques a ouro, montados formando uma única peça. g) Nobilissimis amplissimis & Consultissimis DOMINIS DIRECTORIBUS CELEBERRIME SOCIETATIS INDIAE OCCIDENTALIS. Novam hanc, & accuratam totius Brasiliae, omniumque locorum ductu & auspicio ipsorum faeficissimo occupatorum descriptionem, humilimae venerationis tesserum lubens merito dedicat, consercartque, Humilimus Cliens Wilhelmvs Hondivs. 1635H. Escala gráfica em milhas germânicas. 49 x 142cm. p.126/127. Mapa gravado, colorido, em 4 (quatro) folhas numeradas e superpostas sobre tela, mostrando as capitanias de Pernambuco, Itamaracá, e Paraíba, desde o "Porto Fransico" até ao "Rio Tassoyo". Nomenclatura, ao longo do litoral, em português, holandês e francês. h) [Vista Panorâmica da chegada ao Porto da Villa de Barcellos, na Capitania de São José do Rio Negro, da Expedição de Limites sob o Comando do Capitão General João Pereira Caldas, em 17 de outubro de 1780].P.97. Desenho a nanquim , 28 x 74cm. i) Rio Araguari desde a sua foz até as cabeceiras. 1798. Cópia a nanquim e tinta azul. 74 x 84cm. (Há no acervo uma incompleta, em escala menor, de 44 x 89cm.) j) Carte très curieuse de la Mer du Sud, contenant des remarques nouvelles et très utiles nom seulement sur les ports et îles de cette mer, mais aussi sur les principaux Pays de l'Ámérique tant Septentrionale. que Meridionale, avec les noms & la Route des Voyageurs par que la découverte en été faite. Le Tout pour l'intelligence des dissertations suivantes [Amsterdam, Z. Chatelain, 1732-1739] Gravura a negro. 82 x 142cm. k) A Map of South America containing Tierra Firma, New Granada, Amazonia, Brasil, Peru, Paraguay, Chaco, Tucuman, Chili and Patagonia. London Published by Laurie & White, 1794. Gravura. 98 x 117cm. l) Forte Príncipe da Beira. Levantamento topográphico local, com o plano primitivo do forte. Planta por Hormino Pinheiro, Engenheiro-Ajudante da 4ª Divisão da Estrada deFerro Madeira-Mamoré. Ferroprussiato. 55 x 98,5cm. m) Carta 6ª da costa do Brasil Ao Merediano d'Rio d'Janeiro Dez de a Ponta de Araçatuba athe a Barra do Guaratuba Pelo P. M. Diogo Soares S.J R no Estado do Brasil. 1737. Manuscrito a nanquim colorido a lápis de cor. 19 x 32cm. (No canto superio esquerdo há uma anotação do Barão do Rio Branco. n) ... Viagem que fes o Soldado Dragõ [!] Joaq.m Vieira Passos, a companha-do demais 2 Dragoens e 12 Pedestres. Sendo assim executado por ordem do ILL.mo E Exmo. General da Capitania de Mato Grosso no Mes de Outubro de 1791. Manuscrito a nanquim e aquarela. 40 x 23cm. o) [Mapa que mostra a Capitania de Goiás e a região ao sul até o rio da Prata. Francisco Tosi Colombina (?) ca 1756]. Manuscrito a nanquim em papel encorpado. 88 x 48cm. p) [Mapa do médio Tocantins e região adjacente com as Missões do Duro. Meados do século XVIII]. Manuscrito colorido. 33 x 42cm. p.112. q) Cópia do Borrador Topografico , e Espanhol da Linha Divisória que cita o artigo XII do Tratado Preliminar, e ajusta das distancias athe o o seu ponto final. Cópia aquarelada sobre pergaminho. 25 x 56cm. (O acervo dispõe de uma litografia feita em Lisboa.) r) [Planta da Baía de Paranaguá e região contígua] Cópia manuscrita aquarelada, com predominância dos tons verdes, em papel encorpado, do original manuscrito e colorido que pertence ao Arquivo Histórico Colonial, em Lisboa. 41 x 30 cm. p. 286. s) Mapa Geográfico da Capitania do Seará. Mapa manuscrito a nanquim e aquarela, em papel encorpado. 15 x 17 cm em folha de 34 x 22 cm. p.149. t) Planta do lugar Capital de Pastos bons formado sobre hua Serra e rodiado de Matos com cazas q se podem avistar do quartel militar que hé na maior eminencia. Mapa manuscrito, aquarelado. 36 x 24cm. p.139. u) 1ª Seção do caminho de ferro de Pedro 2º que comprehende desde o Campo de Acclamação até Belem ondeprincipia a Serra [ca. 1860] Esboço original a traço de pena, feito pelo Barão Duarte da Ponte Ribeiro. 18 x 51cm. ATLAS LIST a) Almanach Géographique ou Petit Atlas élémentaire composé de cartes générales et particulieres des differens Empires ... À Paris, Chez Desnos Librairie et Ingénieur-Géographe de Sa Magesté Danoise .. [1770] 32 mapas coloridos. 12 cm. b) Descriptio de L'Isle de Sicile et de ses côtes Maritimes avec les plans de toutes ses Forteresses nouvelles tirés selon l'Etat où elles se trouvent presentement. Vienne d'Áutriche, chez Juan Van Ghelen, Imprimeur de la Magesté Imperiale & Catholique ... 1719. c) Atlas Maior. F.ci de Wit. Amstelodami cum Privilegio Potentissimorum D. D. Ordinum Holandiae et westfrisiae. tot Amsterdam by Frederick de Wit privilegie van de Grootmogende Heeren Staten van Hollant en Westvrieslant. Gravura. Fronf. 78mapas col (dobr.) 53 cm. d) The American Atlas; containing the following maps ... New York, published by John Reid, Bookseller and Stationer, nº 106, Water - Street, 1796. Gravura. 1 f. p. 20, [1] mapas, in-8º. 42 x 27 cm e) Het eerst deel Van Het Brandende Veen, verlichtende Alle de Vafte Kuften ende Eylenden Van geheel Wet-Indien, Beginnende van linie aequinoctiael, ofte Rio Amazonas; ... in Zeeland. t'Amsteldam, Gelfneenden/ Gedruckt en Untgehen door Pieter Goos, in Compagnie met den Autheur. Met Privilegie voor 15 jaren [1675]. Gravura. 3 f. p.62, [1] p. 31 (i.e. 32) mapas coloridos.50cm. f) Atlas de la Navigation et du Commerce Qui se fit dans toutes les parties du monde, expliquant par des Cartes &par des descriptions particulieres de toutes les Côtes e Parts de Mer de lÚnivers, la Nature ... Gravura.96 [2] p. 28 mapas, 6 est. 53 x 32cm. g) Le Petit Atlas Maritime. Recueil de cartes et plans des quatre parties du monde em cinq volumes. Gravura. v. I e II. 33 x 25cm Thank you for your attention, Jose Parrot email: parrot@wnetrj.com.bror parrot@parrot.to If any piece is found or if you have any indications, please send an e-mail to icombr@terra.com.br ------- End of forwarded message -------_____________________________ http://www.museum-security.org http://www.cpprot.net subscribe CPProt.net mailinglist: subscribe@cpprot.net unsubscribe CPProt.net mailinglist: unsubscribe@cpprot.net MSN-list subscribe: msn-list-subscribe@te.verweg.com unsubscribe: msn-list-unsubscribe@te.verweg.com All our outgoing mails are checked for viruses. ________________________ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 From: MailAdmin@rcahms.gov.uk To: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:15:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: RE: [MapHist] FW: (Fwd) Historical Maps and plates stolen in Brazil - Inappropriate Language Detected X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Your message to markg@rcahms.gov.uk has not been delivered due to it having been identified as containing inappropriate language. Received: from renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (unverified) by Mailsweeper.RCAHMS.GOV.UK (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.6) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:15:07 +0100 Received: from pop.geog.uu.nl (pop.geog.uu.nl [131.211.64.17]) by renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.12.6p3/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h9EEHwN5002430 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:17:58 +0100 (BST) Received: by pop.geog.uu.nl (FRW Mail Daemon) id DA8AA60004; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:17:51 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: maphist-list@geog.uu.nl Received: from localhost (pop.geog.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) by pop.geog.uu.nl (FRW Mail Daemon) with ESMTP id C8CDB6000E for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:17:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pop.geog.uu.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pop.geog.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13894-10 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:17:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: by pop.geog.uu.nl (FRW Mail Daemon, from userid 511) id 721ED60004; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:17:50 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Received: from localhost (pop.geog.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) by pop.geog.uu.nl (FRW Mail Daemon) with ESMTP id 30BD56000E for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:17:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pop.geog.uu.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pop.geog.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13897-09 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:17:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from exchange.rgs.org (exchange.rgs.org [212.219.1.5]) by pop.geog.uu.nl (FRW Mail Daemon) with ESMTP id 5187160004 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:17:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: by exchange.rgs.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <47T6Z7G9>; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:00:43 +0100 Message-ID: From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl, libergdc-dg@bravo.nls.uk Cc: lis-maps@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [MapHist] FW: (Fwd) Historical Maps and plates stolen in Brazil Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:22:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: hits=-0.5 tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE version=2.55-local1 X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at renko.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.33, Sophie 1.42, Sophos Anti-Virus 3.73 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.33 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) This list of manuscript and printed maps (and complete atlases) stolen in July has just been supplied to another list; I forward it for everyone's information. Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG) f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] -----Original Message----- From: CulPropProtNet/MuSecNetwork [mailto:securma@xs4all.nl] Sent: 13 October 2003 02:54 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: (Fwd) Historical Maps and plates stolen in Brazil ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: "Parrot" To: Subject: Historical Maps and plates stolen in Brazil Ladies and gentlemen, Last july, thieves have stolen more than 500 pieces from the Itamarathy Palace Museum, the former headquarter of Foregein Affair Ministery of Brazil. Just now thiswas communicated to thepublic. We, patriots and lover of Brazilian History, are affraid about the destin of those pricelessancient maps, important to our culture and our memory. Please, help us in divulging this list. I can translate it, if needed. Following, a partial list of stolen maps and atlas, most from the XVIII century, some from the XVII. Also, attached, isa list ofcollections with photographs and plates. MAPS a) 1 prancha nº 3 ( Rio da Prata) do atlas "Estado do Brasil,/ Coligido Das. Mais /Sertas Notícias/ ... por Ioão Teixeira Albernas...1631"; b) nº 640 do PMMBC "Planta do Rio Tieté, ou Añemby, na Capitania de S.Paulo desde a cidade do mesmo nome ... 1788/1789". 250cm x 33cm.; manuscrito aquarelado. Reproduzido na página 263 do livro "Mapa"; c) 11 folhas do Atlas de Van Keulen: 2 alegorias + 9 mapas. Século XVII. Gravuras aquareladas. Obras de grande beleza. Livro "Mapa - Imagens da formação territorial brasileira". Páginas: 25; 41; 47; 48; 81;124; 125;129; 183; 203; 204; 232; 278; e 279. Reproduzem alguns mapas, uma das alegorias, a que representa a América, e aspectos decorativos das peças. Gravuras coloridas. 41 x 25cm (a menor) e 81 x 102 (a maior). d) 3 mapas da [Collecção hidrographica de 15 mappas, desde o Rio de Janeiro a-thé o Rio da Prata, e Buenos Ayres. ... Redigida nos annos de 1819 a 1821 por ocasião do serviço qfês no Brasil o Major Engenheiro F. P.A. Moreira ], folhas 1;5; e 6: 1) Barra do Rio de Janeiro; 5).Villa de Santos e Barras Juntas; e 6) Mappa do Porto de Santos; e) 1 folha + 4 pranchas da "Fazenda Ipanema", conjunto de 13 pranchas com desenhos; perfis; mapas e 1 carta topográfica. f) "Praefecturae Pernambucae pars borealis una cum Praefectura de Itamaraca [et} Praefecturae de Paraiba et Rio Grande.1643"(ed.1647B). Escalas gráficas em milhas diversas. 42 x 104cm Mapas gravados, coloridos, com toques a ouro, montados formando uma única peça. g) Nobilissimis amplissimis & Consultissimis DOMINIS DIRECTORIBUS CELEBERRIME SOCIETATIS INDIAE OCCIDENTALIS. Novam hanc, & accuratam totius Brasiliae, omniumque locorum ductu & auspicio ipsorum faeficissimo occupatorum descriptionem, humilimae venerationis tesserum lubens merito dedicat, consercartque, Humilimus Cliens Wilhelmvs Hondivs. 1635H. Escala gráfica em milhas germânicas. 49 x 142cm. p.126/127. Mapa gravado, colorido, em 4 (quatro) folhas numeradas e superpostas sobre tela, mostrando as capitanias de Pernambuco, Itamaracá, e Paraíba, desde o "Porto Fransico" até ao "Rio Tassoyo". Nomenclatura, ao longo do litoral, em português, holandês e francês. h) [Vista Panorâmica da chegada ao Porto da Villa de Barcellos, na Capitania de São José do Rio Negro, da Expedição de Limites sob o Comando do Capitão General João Pereira Caldas, em 17 de outubro de 1780].P.97. Desenho a nanquim , 28 x 74cm. i) Rio Araguari desde a sua foz até as cabeceiras. 1798. Cópia a nanquim e tinta azul. 74 x 84cm. (Há no acervo uma incompleta, em escala menor, de 44 x 89cm.) j) Carte très curieuse de la Mer du Sud, contenant des remarques nouvelles et très utiles nom seulement sur les ports et îles de cette mer, mais aussi sur les principaux Pays de l'Ámérique tant Septentrionale. que Meridionale, avec les noms & la Route des Voyageurs par que la découverte en été faite. Le Tout pour l'intelligence des dissertations suivantes [Amsterdam, Z. Chatelain, 1732-1739] Gravura a negro. 82 x 142cm. k) A Map of South America containing Tierra Firma, New Granada, Amazonia, Brasil, Peru, Paraguay, Chaco, Tucuman, Chili and Patagonia. London Published by Laurie & White, 1794. Gravura. 98 x 117cm. l) Forte Príncipe da Beira. Levantamento topográphico local, com o plano primitivo do forte. Planta por Hormino Pinheiro, Engenheiro-Ajudante da 4ª Divisão da Estrada deFerro Madeira-Mamoré. Ferroprussiato. 55 x 98,5cm. m) Carta 6ª da costa do Brasil Ao Merediano d'Rio d'Janeiro Dez de a Ponta de Araçatuba athe a Barra do Guaratuba Pelo P. M. Diogo Soares S.J R no Estado do Brasil. 1737. Manuscrito a nanquim colorido a lápis de cor. 19 x 32cm. (No canto superio esquerdo há uma anotação do Barão do Rio Branco. n) ... Viagem que fes o Soldado Dragõ [!] Joaq.m Vieira Passos, a companha-do demais 2 Dragoens e 12 Pedestres. Sendo assim executado por ordem do ILL.mo E Exmo. General da Capitania de Mato Grosso no Mes de Outubro de 1791. Manuscrito a nanquim e aquarela. 40 x 23cm. o) [Mapa que mostra a Capitania de Goiás e a região ao sul até o rio da Prata. Francisco Tosi Colombina (?) ca 1756]. Manuscrito a nanquim em papel encorpado. 88 x 48cm. p) [Mapa do médio Tocantins e região adjacente com as Missões do Duro. Meados do século XVIII]. Manuscrito colorido. 33 x 42cm. p.112. q) Cópia do Borrador Topografico , e Espanhol da Linha Divisória que cita o artigo XII do Tratado Preliminar, e ajusta das distancias athe o o seu ponto final. Cópia aquarelada sobre pergaminho. 25 x 56cm. (O acervo dispõe de uma litografia feita em Lisboa.) r) [Planta da Baía de Paranaguá e região contígua] Cópia manuscrita aquarelada, com predominância dos tons verdes, em papel encorpado, do original manuscrito e colorido que pertence ao Arquivo Histórico Colonial, em Lisboa. 41 x 30 cm. p. 286. s) Mapa Geográfico da Capitania do Seará. Mapa manuscrito a nanquim e aquarela, em papel encorpado. 15 x 17 cm em folha de 34 x 22 cm. p.149. t) Planta do lugar Capital de Pastos bons formado sobre hua Serra e rodiado de Matos com cazas q se podem avistar do quartel militar que hé na maior eminencia. Mapa manuscrito, aquarelado. 36 x 24cm. p.139. u) 1ª Seção do caminho de ferro de Pedro 2º que comprehende desde o Campo de Acclamação até Belem ondeprincipia a Serra [ca. 1860] Esboço original a traço de pena, feito pelo Barão Duarte da Ponte Ribeiro. 18 x 51cm. ATLAS LIST a) Almanach Géographique ou Petit Atlas élémentaire composé de cartes générales et particulieres des differens Empires ... À Paris, Chez Desnos Librairie et Ingénieur-Géographe de Sa Magesté Danoise .. [1770] 32 mapas coloridos. 12 cm. b) Descriptio de L'Isle de Sicile et de ses côtes Maritimes avec les plans de toutes ses Forteresses nouvelles tirés selon l'Etat où elles se trouvent presentement. Vienne d'Áutriche, chez Juan Van Ghelen, Imprimeur de la Magesté Imperiale & Catholique ... 1719. c) Atlas Maior. F.ci de Wit. Amstelodami cum Privilegio Potentissimorum D. D. Ordinum Holandiae et westfrisiae. tot Amsterdam by Frederick de Wit privilegie van de Grootmogende Heeren Staten van Hollant en Westvrieslant. Gravura. Fronf. 78mapas col (dobr.) 53 cm. d) The American Atlas; containing the following maps ... New York, published by John Reid, Bookseller and Stationer, nº 106, Water - Street, 1796. Gravura. 1 f. p. 20, [1] mapas, in-8º. 42 x 27 cm e) Het eerst deel Van Het Brandende Veen, verlichtende Alle de Vafte Kuften ende Eylenden Van geheel Wet-Indien, Beginnende van linie aequinoctiael, ofte Rio Amazonas; ... in Zeeland. t'Amsteldam, Gelfneenden/ Gedruckt en Untgehen door Pieter Goos, in Compagnie met den Autheur. Met Privilegie voor 15 jaren [1675]. Gravura. 3 f. p.62, [1] p. 31 (i.e. 32) mapas coloridos.50cm. f) Atlas de la Navigation et du Commerce Qui se fit dans toutes les parties du monde, expliquant par des Cartes &par des descriptions particulieres de toutes les Côtes e Parts de Mer de lÚnivers, la Nature ... Gravura.96 [2] p. 28 mapas, 6 est. 53 x 32cm. g) Le Petit Atlas Maritime. Recueil de cartes et plans des quatre parties du monde em cinq volumes. Gravura. v. I e II. 33 x 25cm Thank you for your attention, Jose Parrot email: parrot@wnetrj.com.bror parrot@parrot.to If any piece is found or if you have any indications, please send an e-mail to icombr@terra.com.br ------- End of forwarded message -------_____________________________ http://www.museum-security.org http://www.cpprot.net subscribe CPProt.net mailinglist: subscribe@cpprot.net unsubscribe CPProt.net mailinglist: unsubscribe@cpprot.net MSN-list subscribe: msn-list-subscribe@te.verweg.com unsubscribe: msn-list-unsubscribe@te.verweg.com All our outgoing mails are checked for viruses. ________________________ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Boardman, Richard" To: "'maphist@geog.uu.nl'" Subject: [MapHist] Philippe Vandermaelen Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:35:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hi, I'd like to find some biographical information for Phillipe Vandermaelen. I have a somewhat brief overview of his life and the production of his Atlas Universel (from Atlantes Neerlandici). I don't have any of the sources cited at the end. Can anyone suggest some sources, in English, that I might refer a patron to? Thanks. Rich Boardman Map Collection Free Library of Philadelphia boardmanr@library.phila.gov _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Al Magary" To: "MapHist" Subject: [MapHist] Stieler's Schul-atlas (1842) facsimiles online Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:24:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl High-resolution facsimiles of Stieler's Schul-atlas (1842) are online at Penn's SCETI center: http://dewey.library.upenn.edu/sceti/printedbooksNew/index.cfm?textID=schul_atlas&PagePosition=1 You can view pages at four resolutions, the highest (8X) being savable as a JPEG image about 2.4MB in size. Also of interest in Penn's online collection is the MS of a medieval Latin treatise on "all of knowledge," William of Conches' Philosophia Mundi (France, second half of 12C): http://dewey.library.upenn.edu/sceti/ljs/PageLevel/index.cfm?option=view&ManID=ljs384 The bibliographic note describes the maps: "Astronomy is illustrated with the orbits of the sun, Mercury and Venus on folios 8v and 9; the zodiac on folio 9; the eclipses of the sun on folio 10v, and eclipses of the moon on folio 11. Geography is depicted by two world maps. The first, on folio 13 depicts the world as a circle with east at the top, surrounded and divided into two hemispheres by the ocean. Captions outside the perimeter of the ocean explain the action of the tides. The Southern Hemisphere is completely empty, but the Northern Hemisphere, Europe and Africa are indicated, separated by the Mediterranean Sea. Gibraltar and the Atlas Mountains of Africa are designated but not very accurately. A second mappa mundi is shown on folio 15 also shows a circular map with east at the top and also shows the world surrounded and divided by the ocean, Here, however, the land mass is divided into five zones, a frigid region at each pole, a temperate zone in the central region of each hemisphere and a torrid zone in the center divided by the equatorial ocean. The geography of the Northern Hemisphere is more articulated. Asia in the east is divided from Europe by the Tanais and Nile rivers and the Mediterranean Sea divides Europe from Africa. These maps are derived from the cosmological sections of Macrobius' Commentary on the Dream of Scipio and Martianus Capella's Marriage of Mercury and Philology." Cheers, Al Magary _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Philippe Vandermaelen Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:15:58 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Rich[ard]: See 'Philippe Vander Maelen (1795-1869), Belgian map-maker' by E. Gilbert de Cauwer in 'Imago Mundi' (Amsterdam), 1970, 24, 11-20 : ill., maps, portr. There is also an obituary in 'Journal of the Royal Geographical Society' (London), 1873, 43, clviii-clix. If you really are limited to English that is a pity: you may pick up some valuable information from the ongoing series of 'Inventaire raisonne des collections cartographiques Vandermaelen conservees a la Bibliotheque royale de Belgique' / sous la direction de Hossam Elkhadem (Bruxelles : Bib. roy. Albert 1er, 1994- ) [see 'Imago Mundi Bibliography', 95:47(081) etc.]; and other articles by one of its chief compilers, Marguerite Silvestre, of the Section des Cartes et Plans. Francis [Herbert] (Compiler of 'Imago Mundi Bibliography' ['donations always gratefully received']) f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] http://www.maphistory.info/imago.html -----Original Message----- From: Boardman, Richard [mailto:BoardmanR@excen.library.phila.gov] Sent: 14 October 2003 21:36 To: 'maphist@geog.uu.nl' Subject: [MapHist] Philippe Vandermaelen Hi, I'd like to find some biographical information for Phillipe Vandermaelen. I have a somewhat brief overview of his life and the production of his Atlas Universel (from Atlantes Neerlandici). I don't have any of the sources cited at the end. Can anyone suggest some sources, in English, that I might refer a patron to? Thanks. Rich Boardman Map Collection Free Library of Philadelphia boardmanr@library.phila.gov _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] The hand as map Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:43:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
   Last evening after a Philoiblon Club meeting, I was returning to my suburban lair in the company of Robert S. Cox (Keeper of Manuscripts at the American Philosophical Society) and his wife.  They had spent time in Michigan and in the course of the conversation it came up that Michiganders often use the hand as a map to indicate from which part of Lower Michigan they hail.  In a crude way, the open hand does bear a vague resemplence to Lower Michigan.  We were trying this with other states with mixed results.  Pennsylvania works fine, New York is really out of scale though still recognizable (with prompting).  Sometimes the arm had to be used as well.
 
   Perhaps <MapHist> is not the place to bring this up, but if it really is the case even a small group uses the hand for local location identification, it has to be considered as a form of cartographic/geographic communication and should be studied.  The first step is to learn from Michiganders if this is indeed true or if I had a joke played on me.
 
           J. B. Post
 
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   Perhaps <MapHist> is not the place to bring this up, but if it really is the case even a small group uses the hand for local location identification, it has to be considered as a form of cartographic/geographic communication and should be studied.  The first step is to learn from Michiganders if this is indeed true or if I had a joke played on me.

 

           J. B. Post

 

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Dear J. B. Post:

 

 

 

Here in Texas the right hand and entire arm are used to represent Texas.  The thumb is  bent to represent the big bend of the Rio Grande, and the fingers are squeezed together to resemble the long, tapering triangle of the Rio Grande Valley. The fully extended arm represents the Republic of Texas’ enormous Panhandle, lost due to United States encroachments.

 

 

I can’t imagine anyone trying to play a joke on you.

 

 

Your posts are always interesting, informative, and often entertaining.

 

 

Thank you very much,

Dorothy Sloan

 

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Jerry:

 

Perhaps an oblique relation to your posting (no pun intended).  You may recall (that is: I am not granting you permission, but it is possible that you will recall) the dust-jacket - unless the Free Library of Philadelphia made free and discarded it - to 'Cartographical innovations : an international handbook of mapping terms to 1900' / ed. Helen M. Wallis & Arthur H. Robinson (1987), ISBN 0-906430-04-6.  This included an illustration of the 'glove map' of London.  A paper version was produced as a guide for visitors to The Great Exhibition in 1851 (London : James Allen, 1851) based on the textile original version (the 'Great Exhibition Glove') of George Shove.  See Wallis & Robinson (1987), entry no. 6.1310  'Map Surface'.  Unless one is discussing cartographic anthropomorphism [or some other correct term]?

 

Francis

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   Last evening after a Philoiblon Club meeting, I was returning to my suburban lair in the company of Robert S. Cox (Keeper of Manuscripts at the American Philosophical Society) and his wife.  They had spent time in Michigan and in the course of the conversation it came up that Michiganders often use the hand as a map to indicate from which part of Lower Michigan they hail.  In a crude way, the open hand does bear a vague resemplence to Lower Michigan.  We were trying this with other states with mixed results.  Pennsylvania works fine, New York is really out of scale though still recognizable (with prompting).  Sometimes the arm had to be used as well.

 

   Perhaps <MapHist> is not the place to bring this up, but if it really is the case even a small group uses the hand for local location identification, it has to be considered as a form of cartographic/geographic communication and should be studied.  The first step is to learn from Michiganders if this is indeed true or if I had a joke played on me.

 

           J. B. Post

 

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] The hand as map Sensitivity: To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.10 March 22, 2002 From: Christina Dando Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:18:47 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on UNOMAIL2.UNOMAHA.EDU/Servers/UNEBR(602CF1HF10 | June 26, 2003) at 10/15/2003 09:18:50 AM X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl When I was a graduate student at Univ. of Wisconson-Madison (not too long ago!), Russ Feingold was running for office (a senate position if I remember right). In his campaign ads that ran on local television, Feingold used his hand as a map of Wisconsin, circling the "map" with his other index finger as he talked about how he had traveled all around the state of Wisconsin and talked to people . . . Christina Dando Assistant Professor Department of Geography and Geology 271 Durham Science Center University of Nebraska at Omaha Omaha NE 68182-0199 cdando@mail.unomaha.edu (402)554-3134 "J.B. Post" To Sent by: owner-maphist@pop .geog.uu.nl cc 10/15/2003 07:43 AM Subject Please respond to [MapHist] The hand as map maphist@geog.uu.n l Last evening after a Philoiblon Club meeting, I was returning to my suburban lair in the company of Robert S. Cox (Keeper of Manuscripts at the American Philosophical Society) and his wife. They had spent time in Michigan and in the course of the conversation it came up that Michiganders often use the hand as a map to indicate from which part of Lower Michigan they hail. In a crude way, the open hand does bear a vague resemplence to Lower Michigan. We were trying this with other states with mixed results. Pennsylvania works fine, New York is really out of scale though still recognizable (with prompting). Sometimes the arm had to be used as well. Perhaps is not the place to bring this up, but if it really is the case even a small group uses the hand for local location identification, it has to be considered as a form of cartographic/geographic communication and should be studied. The first step is to learn from Michiganders if this is indeed true or if I had a joke played on me. J. B. Post _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Charles Burroughs" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] The hand as map & Body Language Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:37:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

On a much larger scale than Texas, Cape Cod (MA) also employs the right hand and entire arm to convey location.  In this case, the index finger and thumb are “connected” with the other fingers curled inward toward the palm.  Then one proceeds to indicate Provincetown as the place where the index finger (curled) and thumb connect, Chatham at the elbow, Sandwich close the shoulder and any number of other towns and villages in between.  Guess that would place Falmouth at the armpit!

 

C. Burroughs

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl]On Behalf Of Dorothy Sloan
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 9:33 AM
To: maphist@geog.uu.nl
Subject: RE: [MapHist] The hand as map

 

 

 

   Perhaps <MapHist> is not the place to bring this up, but if it really is the case even a small group uses the hand for local location identification, it has to be considered as a form of cartographic/geographic communication and should be studied.  The first step is to learn from Michiganders if this is indeed true or if I had a joke played on me.

 

           J. B. Post

 

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Dear J. B. Post:

 

 

 

Here in Texas the right hand and entire arm are used to represent Texas.  The thumb is  bent to represent the big bend of the Rio Grande, and the fingers are squeezed together to resemble the long, tapering triangle of the Rio Grande Valley. The fully extended arm represents the Republic of Texas’ enormous Panhandle, lost due to United States encroachments.

 

 

I can’t imagine anyone trying to play a joke on you.

 

 

Your posts are always interesting, informative, and often entertaining.

 

 

Thank you very much,

Dorothy Sloan

 

X-McAfeeVS-TimeoutProtection: 10 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: day@pop.theworld.com Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:44:45 -0400 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: John Day Subject: Re: [MapHist] The hand as map X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl >When I was a graduate student at Univ. of Wisconson-Madison (not too long >ago!), Russ Feingold was running for office (a senate position if I >remember right). In his campaign ads that ran on local television, Feingold >used his hand as a map of Wisconsin, circling the "map" with his other >index finger as he talked about how he had traveled all around the state of >Wisconsin and talked to people . . . Yes and in this case, the thumb is Door County and the space between the thumb and forefinger is Green Bay. I didn't realize this was going to get so much activity! I should send the list the example I sent Mr. Post off list: In New England, we often use the arm for a map of Cape Cod! Put your arm out at right angles to your body and curl your hand a little toward your head. Then point out where various towns or points of interest are. Buzzards Bay is the armpit. Hyannis is the middle of the upper arm. P-town is the hand, etc. Take care, John Day _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Rhonda Lemke Sanford" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] The hand as map Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:20:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Okay, here's one more -- in West Virginia the hand is used to represent the state with thumb and pinkie extended to represent northern and eastern panhandles and the had itself with the other three fingers (curled into a fist) to represent the rest of the state. (I believe this may also be also an obscene gesture :) Rhonda Sanford ----- Original Message ----- From: John Day To: Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [MapHist] The hand as map > >When I was a graduate student at Univ. of Wisconson-Madison (not too long > >ago!), Russ Feingold was running for office (a senate position if I > >remember right). In his campaign ads that ran on local television, Feingold > >used his hand as a map of Wisconsin, circling the "map" with his other > >index finger as he talked about how he had traveled all around the state of > >Wisconsin and talked to people . . . > > Yes and in this case, the thumb is Door County and the space between > the thumb and forefinger is Green Bay. > > I didn't realize this was going to get so much activity! I should > send the list the example I sent Mr. Post off list: > > In New England, we often use the arm for a map of Cape Cod! Put your > arm out at right angles to your body and curl your hand a little > toward your head. Then point out where various towns or points of > interest are. Buzzards Bay is the armpit. Hyannis is the middle of > the upper arm. P-town is the hand, etc. > > Take care, > John Day > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: KitTheMap@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:33:35 EDT Subject: Re: [MapHist] The hand as map To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6105 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl In class I often have to explain where in England I come from. If I hold my right hand, palm facing me,  so that a) the little and ring fingers remain closed
b) the middle finger is at full stretch
c) the index finger is bent at the first joint (ie approx. half height) and
d) my thumb is sticking out as far (to my ) right as possible
then I have GB with the upper part of the middle finger is Scotland, most of the index finger is Wales and my thumb is the southwest peninsula with my home town (Torquay) approx where the knuckle is

But one does need a lot of imagination!!


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I have known several people from Michigan to do this, so I don't think this was a joke played on you.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 9:32 AM
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   Perhaps <MapHist> is not the place to bring this up, but if it really is the case even a small group uses the hand for local location identification, it has to be considered as a form of cartographic/geographic communication and should be studied.  The first step is to learn from Michiganders if this is indeed true or if I had a joke played on me.

 

           J. B. Post

 

----------------------

 

 

 

Dear J. B. Post:

 

 

 

Here in Texas the right hand and entire arm are used to represent Texas.  The thumb is  bent to represent the big bend of the Rio Grande, and the fingers are squeezed together to resemble the long, tapering triangle of the Rio Grande Valley. The fully extended arm represents the Republic of Texas’ enormous Panhandle, lost due to United States encroachments.

 

 

I can’t imagine anyone trying to play a joke on you.

 

 

Your posts are always interesting, informative, and often entertaining.

 

 

Thank you very much,

Dorothy Sloan

 

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Batavier1@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:23:49 EDT Subject: Re: [MapHist] The hand as map To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl This is not a direct "hand as map" observation but a "hand as cartouche" did show up on a 1650 Dutch map published by Johannes Janssonius.  He was the cartographer who produced the 1650 copperplate of New Netherland from the manuscript map that was presented to the States General in 1649 by Adriaen van der Donck.  Subsequently, Janssonius added a cartouche to his copper plate which commemorates the knighting of Gualterus de Raet (of Holland, Zeeland, en Friesland) to baronet in 1660.  De Raet died in 1663.  It was the English King Charles II who had knighted the Dutch De Raet. This second and last state of the Janssonius copperplate, with now the De Raet's coat of arms engraved on it, shows a hand and three ice skates as coat of arms.  It raises some questions as to De Raet's relationship with New Netherland and Charles II as well as with Janssonius himself as the plate would, going forward, be pretty much a commemorative De Raet plate.  Had De Raet bought Janssonius's plate?  If there are any scholars who know something about this I would be delighted to hear about it as there doesn't seem to be any textual record, thus far, that can shed some light on this.  Joep de Koning (batavier1@aol.com) X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:18:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [MapHist] The hand as map From: Ricardo Padron To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Re: [MapHist] The hand as map on 10/15/03 8:43 AM, J.B. Post at jbpost@netreach.net wrote:

  Last evening after a Philoiblon Club meeting, I was returning to my suburban lair in the company of Robert S. Cox (Keeper of Manuscripts at the American Philosophical Society) and his wife.  They had spent time in Michigan and in the course of the conversation it came up that Michiganders often use the hand as a map to indicate from which part of Lower Michigan they hail.  In a crude way, the open hand does bear a vague resemplence to Lower Michigan.  We were trying this with other states with mixed results.  Pennsylvania works fine, New York is really out of scale though still recognizable (with prompting).  Sometimes the arm had to be used as well.

  Perhaps <MapHist> is not the place to bring this up, but if it really is the case even a small group uses the hand for local location identification, it has to be considered as a form of cartographic/geographic communication and should be studied.  The first step is to learn from Michiganders if this is indeed true or if I had a joke played on me.

          J. B. Post


This sort of thing goes back a long way.  I seem to remember a description of the general outline of the island of Hispaniola (current-day Haiti and the Dominican Republic) penned by Bartolome de las Casas, a sixteenth century Spanish historian.   If I remember correctly, he tells his reader to look at the palm of his left hand, to curl all of his fingers in, and then to extend the thumb and index finger out to the left.  The resultant shape was supposed to look like the outline of the island.

Best,

Ricardo


Ricardo Padron
Assistant Professor of Spanish
Department of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese
University of Virginia
P.O. Box 400777
Charlottesville, VA 22904
padron@virginia.edu
http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rp2d
(434) 924-7543
(434) 924-7160 (fax)

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [206.111.26.33] X-Originating-Email: [lor26@hotmail.com] From: "Laura York" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] The hand as map Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:06:40 +0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2003 19:06:40.0716 (UTC) FILETIME=[7725A0C0:01C3934F] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl And one more... Since geography is vital to understanding ancient history, we use the right hand as a memory tool for the map of Greece; Greece's shape resembles (with some imagination) a hand with the fingers pointed downward. Athens is on the thumb, Sparta at the base of the middle finger, etc. Laura York lor26@hotmail.com UCLA Department of History _________________________________________________________________ Page a contact’s mobile phone with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:21:57 -0400 Subject: [MapHist] Need help identifying a globe From: Ricardo Padron To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Need help identifying a globe My apologies if this is a duplicate request.  I’m not sure if my original inquiry got through to the list.

Hello Maphist community.  The link below will take you to an image of a painting by the Spaniard Antonio Pereda.  As you will see, the painter has included a globe among the objects depicted on the table.  Can anyone identify it?  Thanks in advance for your help.

http://www.lindamann.com/otherpainters/pereda1.jpg




Ricardo Padron
Assistant Professor of Spanish
Department of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese
University of Virginia
P.O. Box 400777
Charlottesville, VA 22904
padron@virginia.edu
http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rp2d
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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-WebMail-UserID: lesleyp Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:54:01 -0600 From: lesleyp To: maphist X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002455 Subject: RE: [MapHist] The hand as map X-Mailer: Infinite Mobile Delivery (Hydra) SMTP v3.62.01 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl And next door to Greece, of course, is that land mass famously compared with the other extremity, the foot--or, to be more precise, the "boot"-- i.e. Italy. No opportunity with boots though to consider individual digits. Lesley >===== Original Message From "Laura York" ===== >And one more... >Since geography is vital to understanding ancient history, we use the right >hand as a memory tool for the map of Greece; Greece's shape resembles (with >some imagination) a hand with the fingers pointed downward. Athens is on the >thumb, Sparta at the base of the middle finger, etc. > >Laura York >lor26@hotmail.com >UCLA Department of History > >_________________________________________________________________ >Page a contact’s mobile phone with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! > http://msnmessenger-download.com > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info Ms Lesley Peterson Doctoral Candidate Department of English University of Alberta Edmonton, Canada "I should not talk so much about myself if there were anybody else whom I knew as well. Unfortunately, I am confined to this theme by the narrowness of my experience." — Henry David Thoreau _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:27:40 +0200 Subject: Re: [MapHist] The hand as map To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Cc: maphist From: "Lisa Yayla" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I design maps for the blind and visually impaired. A tactile representation is one thing, but I am also trying to convey the geographical information in other ways. Descriptions ie South America is formed like an ice cream cone. I have used the hand to help describe the Southern part of the US and Middle America, that the area resembles a thumb and the forefinger which almost touch. The thumb is called is called Yucatán and is part of Mexico while the forefinger is Florida. The two of them look like they are picking up something and that is an island called Cuba...etc. In case this subject doesn't continue on the list if anyone has any analogies or hand descriptions of countries, navigating etc I would appreciate it very much if they would send it to me, now or in the future. I will pass them on. Thank you very much, Lisa Yayla Huseby Kompetansesenter Oslo Norway lisa.yayla@statped.no _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Need help identifying a globe Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:10:12 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Need help identifying a globe

Ricardo:

 

A guide as to the 'floruit' dates of the painter Pereda - or even better: the date of his painting  - would help some viewers suggest a date and/or maker of the globe!

 

Francis Herbert

f.herbert@rgs.org

 

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Subject: [MapHist] Need help identifying a globe

 

My apologies if this is a duplicate request.  I'm not sure if my original inquiry got through to the list.

Hello Maphist community.  The link below will take you to an image of a painting by the Spaniard Antonio Pereda.  As you will see, the painter has included a globe among the objects depicted on the table.  Can anyone identify it?  Thanks in advance for your help.


http://www.lindamann.com/otherpainters/pereda1.jpg





Ricardo Padron
Assistant Professor of Spanish
Department of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese
University of Virginia
P.O. Box 400777
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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "R & P Betz" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Absence - Catherine Hofmann Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:56:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Congratulations. I am glad you sent an email to MapHist today as I have been having trouble sending you an email. Whom can I contact in your absence regarding a research visit to the Bibliothèque nationale from 12-14 November? I wish to reserve certain maps and atlases in advance of my visit. Thank you. Sincerely, Richard Betz betzmaps@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: [MapHist] Absence Dear Peter, I will be absent from my work for pregnancy vacation from 17th of Oktober 2003 to about 1st of March 2004. Please, do not send me any message for this period. Best regards, Catherine Hofmann Bibliothèque nationale de France _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:53:16 +0200 Subject: [MapHist] Query From: Philippe Forêt To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Greetings to all, I am looking for information on teaching cartography to blind people or the teaching of cartography by blind people. Thank you for your help. Philippe Foret pforet@bluewin.ch _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: oddens@pop.geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:05:04 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Roelof Oddens Subject: Re: [MapHist] Query X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Philippe, Perhaps these sites can help you a little: http://www.nctd.org.uk/ http://www.art.man.ac.uk/Geog/tactileguidelines/ Roelof Oddens Roelof P. Oddens Map Curator Faculty of Geographical Sciences Utrecht University P.O. 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The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Al Magary" To: "MapHist" Subject: [MapHist] Is he sailing west? Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:37:15 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
In a decorated initial T in Vol. I of Holinshed's Chronicles (1587)--hi-rez color facsimile at http://dewey.lib.upenn.edu/sceti/PrintedBooksnew/index.cfm?TextID=holinshed_chronicle&PagePosition=261 --a 16C ship is shown sailing to the left, with two cliffs or headlands just ahead, a cartoon "wind" blowing on the right, and a constellation and the moon in the cloudy sky. 
 
The ship is one-masted but has a gun deck with four ports open.  It flies a square flag with plain, uncolored square cross, which I'd guess would be the cross of St. George.  The helmsman is bearded and naked.  Leading the ship in the waves is Neptune, bearing a trident.
 
The constellation looks vaguely like the Big Dipper, with Polaris near the upper left corner.  If this is the case, the ship is sailing west.  As well, I assume that by 1587 illustrators and cartographers alike had an orientation north, with left=west.
 
What is curious is the placement of this particular illustration in a preface "To the Readers studious in histories," which mainly has a circumspect apology for not correcting "the accounts of former ages" and reconciling all "writers dissenting in opinion and report."
 
Any comments on this illustration?
 
Thanks,
Al Magary
Hall's Chronicle Project
 
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:37:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Lester Subject: Re: [MapHist] Query (teaching maps for visually impaired) To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hi Phillipe, The Ancient World Mapping Center at University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill, NC has the following: Maps for the Blind AWMC is collaborating with students and faculty in the Department of Computer Science to develop the Blind Audio Tactile Mapping System (BATS). http://www.unc.edu/awmc/content/xhtml/accessibility.html I'll reply off list with contact name. Regards, Jay Lester --- Philippe Forêt wrote: > Greetings to all, > > I am looking for information on teaching cartography to blind people > or the > teaching of cartography by blind people. Thank you for your help. > > Philippe Foret > pforet@bluewin.ch __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist-digest@pop.geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Larry Nederlof" To: Subject: [MapHist] Antonio Pereda Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:50:09 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I am inclined to believe that the globe can only be identified as: "The world according to Antonio Pereda"..... Larry Nederlof The Nederlof Historical Library larryn@microseconds.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:45:27 +0200 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Query To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Cc: From: "Lisa Yayla" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Phillippe I 'm the moderator for another list about making and designing graphics for blind and visually impaired called Adapted Graphics. http://www.topica.com/lists/adaptedgraphics Try there. I will also go through some past disscussions on the list to see what I can find. Regards, Lisa Lisa Yayla Huseby Kompetansesenter Oslo Norway lisa.yayla@statped.no _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:20:03 +0200 Subject: Re: [MapHist] The hand as map To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Lisa Yayla" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Links In another site these maps are refered to as "maps without paper" which "...enabling a language community to know approximately where various areas are located". Said in reference to "Map of Mapi creator of the Blackfoot Indians". Also the linguistic bit Area Root Translation Ukraine Gk KRaNion cranium Chechnya Xa:KH palate (roof of mouth) Georgia GaRGeret throat, trachea http://shamash.org/listarchives/heblang/000726 John Donne and the "Anthropomorphic Map" Tradition http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/french/as-sa/ASSA-No8/NF1.html And along the lines of the glove map from the Great Exhibition, I have been told "...You can purchase oven mitts with a map of the lower part of Michigan on the right hand." Regards, Lisa Lisa Yayla Huseby Kompetansesenter Oslo Norway lisa.yayla@statped.no _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-McAfeeVS-TimeoutProtection: 23 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:23:50 +0200 Subject: Re: [MapHist] The hand as map To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Cc: From: "Lisa Yayla" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Mr. De Vorsey Thank you very much for your example. Regards, Lisa Yayla Huseby Kompetansesenter Oslo Norway lisa.yayla@statped.no _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:41:01 +0200 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Absence From: Marica Milanesi To: X-Universita-Pavia-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Universita-Pavia-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Il giorno 16-10-2003 19:52, catherine.hofmann2@bnf.fr, catherine.hofmann2@bnf.fr ha scritto: > > > > Dear Peter, > > I will be absent from my work for pregnancy vacation from 17th of Oktober 2003 > to about 1st of March 2004. > Please, do not send me any message for this period. > > Best regards, > > Catherine Hofmann > Bibliothèque nationale de France > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info Cara Catherine, suppungo che il tuo messaggio non fosse pubblico, ma comunque congratulazioni vivissime. Marica Milanesi _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" Cc: Subject: [MapHist] Anthropomorphic maps - new list Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:25:41 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl In case this is of interest. A new list (started 12 October) with, to date, just three members but, no doubt, more will join shortly [Tony Campbell] BPMaps list ------------ This is a discussion list for anthropomorphic maps. These maps were created by configuring the body of a god or goddess on the face of the earth. The name of each part of that body became the name of the area or feature underneath that part. Examples include the Blackfoot indian map of Napi in Alberta, Canada; the Phoenician map of a male body (probably Hermes) in Asia minor; and the map of a female body (probably Aphrodite) in northern Africa. You should enjoy this group if you are interested in any of the following topics: mythology ancient history and exploration sacred geography cartography and mapmaking historical and cognitive linguistics spatial cognition toponyms and the etymology of place names Ancient map collectors/dealers can be especially valuable members of this list because of their expertise and access to ancient maps. Note from the Moderator -------------------------- I'd like for you to join this list. You can get more information about the list and join by going to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BPMaps Best regards, Israel "izzy" Cohen, moderator israel_and_yvettec@012.net.il _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Paul Hughes" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] Is he sailing west? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:05:57 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I can not make out the moon properly, but guess that it is the circular object below the left arm of the T. The moon, then being in approximate conjunction with the constellation, bars that constellation from being Canis Majoris. The moon's maximum declination is about 28 degrees, so one should look for a constellation with a declination of between, say, 40 south and north. Paul Hughes. -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] On Behalf Of Al Magary Sent: 16 October 2003 23:37 To: MapHist Subject: [MapHist] Is he sailing west? In a decorated initial T in Vol. I of Holinshed's Chronicles (1587)--hi-rez color facsimile at http://dewey.lib.upenn.edu/sceti/PrintedBooksnew/index.cfm?TextID=holins hed_chronicle&PagePosition=261 --a 16C ship is shown sailing to the left, with two cliffs or headlands just ahead, a cartoon "wind" blowing on the right, and a constellation and the moon in the cloudy sky. The ship is one-masted but has a gun deck with four ports open. It flies a square flag with plain, uncolored square cross, which I'd guess would be the cross of St. George. The helmsman is bearded and naked. Leading the ship in the waves is Neptune, bearing a trident. The constellation looks vaguely like the Big Dipper, with Polaris near the upper left corner. If this is the case, the ship is sailing west. As well, I assume that by 1587 illustrators and cartographers alike had an orientation north, with left=west. What is curious is the placement of this particular illustration in a preface "To the Readers studious in histories," which mainly has a circumspect apology for not correcting "the accounts of former ages" and reconciling all "writers dissenting in opinion and report." Any comments on this illustration? Thanks, Al Magary Hall's Chronicle Project _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Boardman, Richard" To: "'maphist@geog.uu.nl'" Subject: RE: [MapHist] Philippe Vandermaelen Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:19:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Francis, Thanks very much for the information re. Vander Maelon. The patron was happy and, as it turns out, his wife is quite fluent in French so they can follow up on the sources. Thanks again. Rich Boardman Free Library of Philadelphia > -----Original Message----- > From: F.Herbert@RGS.org [SMTP:F.Herbert@RGS.org] > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 4:16 AM > To: maphist@geog.uu.nl > Subject: RE: [MapHist] Philippe Vandermaelen > > Rich[ard]: > > See 'Philippe Vander Maelen (1795-1869), Belgian map-maker' by E. Gilbert > de > Cauwer in 'Imago Mundi' (Amsterdam), 1970, 24, 11-20 : ill., maps, portr. > There is also an obituary in 'Journal of the Royal Geographical Society' > (London), 1873, 43, clviii-clix. > > If you really are limited to English that is a pity: you may pick up some > valuable information from the ongoing series of 'Inventaire raisonne des > collections cartographiques Vandermaelen conservees a la Bibliotheque > royale > de Belgique' / sous la direction de Hossam Elkhadem (Bruxelles : Bib. roy. > Albert 1er, 1994- ) [see 'Imago Mundi Bibliography', 95:47(081) etc.]; > and > other articles by one of its chief compilers, Marguerite Silvestre, of the > Section des Cartes et Plans. > > Francis [Herbert] (Compiler of 'Imago Mundi Bibliography' ['donations > always > gratefully received']) > f.herbert@rgs.org > http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] > http://www.maphistory.info/imago.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boardman, Richard [mailto:BoardmanR@excen.library.phila.gov] > Sent: 14 October 2003 21:36 > To: 'maphist@geog.uu.nl' > Subject: [MapHist] Philippe Vandermaelen > > Hi, > > I'd like to find some biographical information for Phillipe Vandermaelen. > I > have a somewhat brief overview of his life and the production of his Atlas > Universel (from Atlantes Neerlandici). I don't have any of the sources > cited > at the end. Can anyone suggest some sources, in English, that I might > refer > a patron to? Thanks. > > Rich Boardman > Map Collection > Free Library of Philadelphia > boardmanr@library.phila.gov > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:32:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Need help identifying a globe From: Ricardo Padron To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Re: [MapHist] Need help identifying a globe Thanks for bringing my attention to an obvious oversight on my part, Francis.  Here’s an alternate link to the painting, which includes some information about the painter and the subject of the painting, as well as the image itself.

http://www.khm.at/system2E.html?/staticE/page743.html

The painting is from 1634, and is entitled “Allegory of Vanity.”

I am happy to entertain hunches, educated guesses, musings, and suppositions as well as firm, documented suggestions as to the identity of the globe in this painting.  (Assuming, of course, that the artist has indeed used a real globe as his model).

Thanks to all once again,

Ricardo

on 10/16/03 4:10 AM, F.Herbert@RGS.org at F.Herbert@RGS.org wrote:

Ricardo:
 
A guide as to the 'floruit' dates of the painter Pereda - or even better: the date of his painting  - would help some viewers suggest a date and/or maker of the globe!
 
Francis Herbert
f.herbert@rgs.org
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ricardo Padron [mailto:rp2d@virginia.edu]
Sent: 15 October 2003 21:22
To: maphist@geog.uu.nl
Subject: [MapHist] Need help identifying a globe

My apologies if this is a duplicate request.  I'm not sure if my original inquiry got through to the list.

Hello Maphist community.  The link below will take you to an image of a painting by the Spaniard Antonio Pereda.  As you will see, the painter has included a globe among the objects depicted on the table.  Can anyone identify it?  Thanks in advance for your help.

http://www.lindamann.com/otherpainters/pereda1.jpg




Ricardo Padron
Assistant Professor of Spanish
Department of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese
University of Virginia
P.O. Box 400777
Charlottesville, VA 22904
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http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rp2d
(434) 924-7543
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Dear Al

 

A little something to cloud your view. The woodcut initial has no relevance to the date of Holinshed’s chronicle as it had been used a number of times before. The earliest use that I have so far discovered was in William Cuningham’s “The Cosmographical Glasse” published by John Daye in 1559 (London). Cuningham’s work was one of the first English works to deal with cartography and the first to put many continental cartographic ideas (such as those propounded by Frisius) into English. In purely print terms the book was considered groundbreaking in its production values. The book also contained the earliest known English ‘printed’ map or plan of an English city (Norwich).

The relevance of the ship facing to the left may be a bit of a red herring (if I may make so bold and use a nautical term) for two reasons. Firstly, by 1559 the cartographic conventions of left being west were by no means set. Secondly, such a woodcut initial would first have had to be carved by the craftsman in reverse – i.e. facing to the right. It is only when printed that the ship would end up facing to the left.

I doubt this will help a great deal but it might save you a lot of running down the wrong street.

 

regards

 

Matthew J. Champion

TIMESCAPE

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl]On Behalf Of Al Magary
Sent: 16 October 2003 23:37
To: MapHist
Subject: [MapHist] Is he sailing west?

 

In a decorated initial T in Vol. I of Holinshed's Chronicles (1587)--hi-rez color facsimile at http://dewey.lib.upenn.edu/sceti/PrintedBooksnew/index.cfm?TextID=holinshed_chronicle&PagePosition=261 --a 16C ship is shown sailing to the left, with two cliffs or headlands just ahead, a cartoon "wind" blowing on the right, and a constellation and the moon in the cloudy sky. 

 

The ship is one-masted but has a gun deck with four ports open.  It flies a square flag with plain, uncolored square cross, which I'd guess would be the cross of St. George.  The helmsman is bearded and naked.  Leading the ship in the waves is Neptune, bearing a trident.

 

The constellation looks vaguely like the Big Dipper, with Polaris near the upper left corner.  If this is the case, the ship is sailing west.  As well, I assume that by 1587 illustrators and cartographers alike had an orientation north, with left=west.

 

What is curious is the placement of this particular illustration in a preface "To the Readers studious in histories," which mainly has a circumspect apology for not correcting "the accounts of former ages" and reconciling all "writers dissenting in opinion and report."

 

Any comments on this illustration?

 

Thanks,

Al Magary

Hall's Chronicle Project

 

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] New edition of US map resource directory Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 07:58:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
   The Map & Geography Round Table of the American Library Association is planning a third edition of its directory of map resources in the US.  It is trying to list all map collections over 1,000 maps or "with collections of significant research, or historic value ...."  There are many small historical societies which have a "significant" collection of local maps of their areas which might meet the requirements.  Readers of this list should (moral imperative there) attempt to get any such collections about which they know listed.  The editors can always exclude a collection for whatever reason, but at least the information should be made available.  Information and details can be had from mailto:cthiry@mines.edu should anyone wish clarification.
 
   In my own case, I will certainly nag the Chester County Historical Society into sending for the survey form, but I will not do one for the local history club to which I belong because (1) the collection is not accessible to the general public and (2) the collection of local land atlases is a mixed bag having been given as gifts over the years and is not nearly as good as that in the Free Library, a better public collection to use.  Such are my criteria.
 
           J. B. Post
 
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Angus Murray" To: Subject: [MapHist] DMA number series Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:56:40 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
Hi guys,
I'm hoping someone will be able to tell me something about the history of the NIMA/DMA numbering system.
I want to find the first edition of DMA 83010 which was in its sixth edition in 1984. Was this number inherited from the US Naval Hydrographic Office or did the USHO use an entirely different numbering system? When did DMA charts first appear? Anyone know where I can get a copy of the first edition? Thanks for your help,
Regards Angus Murray.
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:59:46 +0200 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Is he sailing west? From: Marica Milanesi To: X-Universita-Pavia-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Universita-Pavia-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Re: [MapHist] Is he sailing west? Il giorno 17-10-2003 0:37, Al Magary, al@magary.com ha scritto:

In a decorated initial T in Vol. I of Holinshed's Chronicles (1587)--hi-rez color facsimile at http://dewey.lib.upenn.edu/sceti/PrintedBooksnew/index.cfm?TextID=holinshed_chronicle&PagePosition=261 <http://dewey.lib.upenn.edu/sceti/PrintedBooksnew/index.cfm?TextID=holinshed_chronicle&amp;PagePosition=261>  --a 16C ship is shown sailing to the left, with two cliffs or headlands just ahead, a cartoon "wind" blowing on the right, and a constellation and the moon in the cloudy sky.  

The ship is one-masted but has a gun deck with four ports open.  It flies a square flag with plain, uncolored square cross, which I'd guess would be the cross of St. George.  The helmsman is bearded and naked.  Leading the ship in the waves is Neptune, bearing a trident.

The constellation looks vaguely like the Big Dipper, with Polaris near the upper left corner.  If this is the case, the ship is sailing west.  As well, I assume that by 1587 illustrators and cartographers alike had an orientation north, with left=west.

What is curious is the placement of this particular illustration in a preface "To the Readers studious in histories," which mainly has a circumspect apology for not correcting "the accounts of former ages" and reconciling all "writers dissenting in opinion and report."

Any comments on this illustration?

Thanks,
Al Magary
Hall's Chronicle Project



Al,
given the context, the decorated initial should show Samothes, son of Japhet, son of Noah, sailing for Britannia to inhabit it. The initial is not referred to the brief text "to the Reader", but to Samothes story, narrated in the pages that follow (263 ss.). Samothes has already colonised Gallica, following the steps of his father Japhet, to whom Noah,  after the Flood, has given the heritage of Europe.
He could be sailing across the Channel - in this case, the cliff could be Dover's - or through the Strait of Gibraltar, from Italy, his fathers kingdom, to Gallia and Britannia. But in this kind of image the Strait should show two separate cliffs, and possibly  the two pillars of Hercules.
In both cases, the ship could be sailing West, with the favour of an Eastern wind, also shown; but the image of the stars, Sun and Moon looks to more me like the ones on Tarrot cards, than a real orientation device. And yes, usually at the end of XVIth century  illustrators and cartographers alike had an orientation north, with left=west; but you can never be sure, in so small and circumscribed picture.
Best wishes
Marica Milanesi
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Mr. Murray:
 
The following information concerning the beginning of the DMA chart numbering system  is taken from the "Weekly Notice to Mariners" (No 19,  May 11, 1974):
 
"Effective 1 July 1974 the National Ocean Survey and the Defense Mapping Agency Hydrographic Center will adopt a uniform U.S.  Nautical Chart Numbering System .  The new numbering system is based on the present region/subregion concept adopted by the DMAHC on 1 March 1971.  Om 1 July [1974] when the United States Nautical Chart numbering system becomes effective the present chart number prefixes such as N.O., C.&G.S. and L.S. will no longer be used" 
 
While the paragraph above applies to domestic U.S. nautical charts, I believe the H.O. [Hydrographic Office] prefix also dissapeared as all charts issued after 1974 carried the current 5 digit system. Other members of this list may able to shed additional light on the chart numbering system.
 
Chart 83010 6th edition appears to have been a continuation of United States Hydrographic Office chart 1993.  The geographic area shown on the charts cited below is not consistent, however.  The same geographic area shown on 83010 6th edition (dated 1984), for example, appears only on the 5th edition of H.O. 1993 (dated 1945) - all of the earlier editions of this chart in our collection cover a smaller adjacent geographic area. 
 
H.O. 1993 unnumbered edition, 1903
H.O, 1993 4th edition April 1921, corrected to February 1935
H.O, 1993 4th edition April 1921, corrected to February 1942
H.O, 1993 4th edition April 1921, corrected to 1951
H.O, 1993 5th edition May 1945
H.O, 1993 5th edition May 1945, revised to February 1964
 
I hope this information is sufficient.  Contact me directly if you are interested in reproductions.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ed Redmond
Reference Specialist
Geography and Map Division
Library of Congress
101 Independence Ave, SE
Washington, DC 20540-4650
(202) 707-8548
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>>> a.d.j.murray@ntlworld.com 10/19/03 08:56AM >>>
Hi guys,
I'm hoping someone will be able to tell me something about the history of the NIMA/DMA numbering system.
I want to find the first edition of DMA 83010 which was in its sixth edition in 1984. Was this number inherited from the US Naval Hydrographic Office or did the USHO use an entirely different numbering system? When did DMA charts first appear? Anyone know where I can get a copy of the first edition? Thanks for your help,
Regards Angus Murray.
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:48:10 -0700 From: Duane Marble User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Culinary Aspects of Cartouches X-Spam-Rating: mail.oregonfast.net 0/1/N X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Recently I was talking with an old friend who is now Curator of Culinary History at the University of Michigan library. She showed me a small color brochure that the library had prepared to illustrate its new culinary history collection. To my surprise, one of the illustrations displayed a portion of the cartouche from an old European map. When I inquired about the relationship between these elaborate drawings and culinary history she responded that some of the illustrations found there represented the only drawings of medieval cooking tools that were mentioned or described, but not illustrated, elsewhere. She noted that such illustrations in the cartouche were most often associated with elaborate, illuminated capital letters. Can anyone shed any additional light on this? Has anyone in the map history community done any relevant research? If so, please contact me and I will pass any references or comments along to her. -- Dr. Duane F. Marble Telephone: 541-902-8837 2226 Primrose Lane Cell: 541-991-1731 Florence, Oregon 97439 Email: marble.1@osu.edu _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-McAfeeVS-TimeoutProtection: 48 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] 16th century engravers Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:25:19 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Matthew Champion, Have you exhausted all the dictionaries (usually in German!) of monogrammists and history of art/engraving sources, before MapHist subscribers bombard you with (sometimes) less obvious sources and suggestions? Checked out the History of Cartography gateway site for sources - and found them wanting? Francis Herbert f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Champion [mailto:timescape@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 08 October 2003 22:06 To: Maphist Subject: [MapHist] 16th century engravers Dear All I am currently trying to find any details of an engraver (of maps amongst other things) who operated in the middle decades of the 16th century. Examples of his work are signed with a monogram so his initials are therefore either JF or FJ. It is unlikely that he was operating in England and the evidence would seem to suggest that he was based in either France or the Low Countries (it may also be possible that he was operating out of Heidelberg). I know this really is not a very great deal of information to go on but would appreciate any help or ideas. Many thanks in advance Matthew J. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "YVETTE COHEN" To: Cc: , Subject: [MapHist] cordiform world map made of rock salt (trivia) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:24:15 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Ruth Watson, who describes herself as "an old maphister", has created a heart-shaped world map of rock salt. Is this a historic first? I suggested calling it "Salt of the Earth" but it is already entitled "L'Origine du Monde" and is currently on display on the floor of a gallery in Canberra.. Israel "izzy" Cohen israel_and_yvettec@012.net.il http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BPMaps _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:48:34 -0400 From: sylvia tomasch To: maphist@geog.uu.nl, YVETTE COHEN Cc: ruth.watson@anu.edu.au, bhince@cres20.anu.edu.au Subject: Re: [MapHist] cordiform world map made of rock salt (trivia) User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Isn't she the artist who once did a "globe of meat"? Quoting YVETTE COHEN : > Ruth Watson, who describes herself as "an old maphister", has created > a heart-shaped world map of rock salt. Is this a historic first? I suggested > calling it "Salt of the Earth" but it is already entitled "L'Origine du > Monde" > and is currently on display on the floor of a gallery in Canberra.. > > Israel "izzy" Cohen > israel_and_yvettec@012.net.il > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BPMaps > -- Professor Sylvia Tomasch, Chair Department of English Hunter College (CUNY) 695 Park Avenue New York, New York 10021 tel: (212) 772-5079/5070 fax: (212) 772-5411 email: stomasch@hunter.cuny.edu _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:13:21 -0700 (PDT) From: rmckeon@ucsd.edu To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] cordiform world map made of rock salt (trivia) Cc: ruth.watson@anu.edu.au X-Mailer: Sake Mail, from Endymion, version 1.0.51 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hi Israel, Are you referring to the heart-shaped map exhibited at the Canberra Contemporary Art Space last year, created from linseed? Rosemarie McKeon Ruth Watson, who describes herself as "an old maphister", has created a heart-shaped world map of rock salt. Is this a historic first? I suggested calling it "Salt of the Earth" but it is already entitled "L'Origine du Monde" and is currently on display on the floor of a gallery in Canberra.. -- This message was sent using Sake Mail, a web-based email tool from Endymion Corporation. http://www.endymion.com/products/sake _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Naomi Heiser" To: Subject: [MapHist] Seeking scholarly info about human figures on maps Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:42:48 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I would be grateful for any information (preferably books or journal articles) about images of black males and of women on 18th and 19th century maps of North America, South America and Africa. The professor who is seeking this information is specifically interested in whether black males are depicted nude, and if they are depicted working. He would also like to know of maps that show concepts of our U.S. "founding fathers"; of manifest destiny; of the heirarchy of races; and, the remaking of America in a colonial image. I realize this is a broad range, but would be happy to receive information addressing any of the topics above. Thank you. Naomi Heiser Map Library C.B. 184 University of Colorado Boulder, CO 80309 (303)492-4966 naomi.heiser@colorado.edu http://www-libraries.colorado.edu/ps/map/frontpage.htm _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: john@woram.com@mail.woram.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:12:45 -0400 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: John Woram Subject: Re: [MapHist] Seeking scholarly info about human figures on maps X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by WebHouse, Inc. http://www.webhse.com for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl The cartouche on Herman Moll's ca. 1711 "Map of South America, According to the Newest and most Exact Observtions" shows several black males--and one female--in rather fanciful dress. Rather than try to describe it, you can see it on my website at this URL: http://www.galapagos.to/maps.htm#moll In the 1711 entry, click on the "Cartouche" link to view the image. This of course is Moll's conception of the natives, and any resemblance to reality is ... well, there is no resemblance to reality. John --- This E-mail was scanned for viruses by WebHouse, Inc. http://www.webhse.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: rwild+1-900-870-6235.com@mail.shawcable.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:54:03 -0600 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Ron Wild Subject: Re: [MapHist] cordiform world map made of rock salt (trivia) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl "place on earth" Project described at http://the-riotact.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=9


At 05:13 PM 10/21/03 -0700, you wrote:
Hi Israel,
Are you referring to the heart-shaped map exhibited at the Canberra
Contemporary Art Space last year, created from linseed?

Rosemarie McKeon


Ruth Watson, who describes herself as "an old maphister", has created
a heart-shaped world map of rock salt. Is this a historic first? I
suggested
calling it "Salt of the Earth" but it is already entitled "L'Origine du
Monde"
and is currently on display on the floor of a gallery in Canberra..

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:03:37 -0400 From: "George Carhart" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Seeking scholarly info about human figures on maps X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl There are lots of maps and images in geographies form the 19th century that cover the concepts that you are looking for. If you go to the Osher Map Libraries web site you will find several. see: exhibit 11, Mapping the Republic and exhibit 7 Worldly Treasurs. http://www.usm.maine.edu/maps/web_exhibit.html George George Carhart Cartographic Associate Osher Map Library University of Southern Maine >>> naomi.heiser@colorado.edu 10/21/2003 8:42:48 PM >>> I would be grateful for any information (preferably books or journal articles) about images of black males and of women on 18th and 19th century maps of North America, South America and Africa. The professor who is seeking this information is specifically interested in whether black males are depicted nude, and if they are depicted working. He would also like to know of maps that show concepts of our U.S. "founding fathers"; of manifest destiny; of the heirarchy of races; and, the remaking of America in a colonial image. I realize this is a broad range, but would be happy to receive information addressing any of the topics above. Thank you. Naomi Heiser Map Library C.B. 184 University of Colorado Boulder, CO 80309 (303)492-4966 naomi.heiser@colorado.edu http://www-libraries.colorado.edu/ps/map/frontpage.htm _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-McAfeeVS-TimeoutProtection: 62 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:12:47 -0400 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: [MapHist] UV light protection X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl As I understand it, uv light protection gets a bit complex. Exposure is not only controlled by the surface of the display case, but also the source in the room. I am hardly an expert, but there seems to be a decent discussion at: , dealing specifically with light damage. This is within the framework of a larger conservation course at the Northeast Document Conservation Center at Andover, MA: . Joel Kovarsky _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [24.116.215.56] X-Originating-Email: [rhekier@hotmail.com] From: "Ron Hekier" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] UV light protection Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:53:12 +0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2003 03:53:13.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[58FD4DC0:01C399E2] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl The following was my post on MapTrade; crossposting as I welcome all points of view. (Thanks to those who have replied already!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greetings all. I am having a local craftsman build a flat file for me to store my maps. We decided upon creating a "shadow box" or display of the top drawer. The top of the flat file will have a glass surface and the top file drawer will be lined with felt thus creating a display for the map in the top drawer to be seen. The flat file will be in a room that receives no direct sunlight. The window is covered with wood blinds which are drawn at an angle to prevent direct sunlight and also covered with sheer curtain drapes which block further light. The room is lit by incandescent bulbs. My inital request was to have UV blocking glass installed in the top. However, my craftsman is having difficulty obtaining UV blocking glass with beveled edges to meet our specifications. He asks if I can use regular glass for the top. Here are my thoughts: I have read that regular glass blocks ~80% of UV rays. If this is true, the map would be protected from outside sunlight by two sheets of glass; the windows, and the top of the flat file. This would result in 4% of UV getting through, and that is from indirect sunlight as the room is rather dark most of the day given the drawn blinds and curtain sheers. Incandescent lights reportedly give out relatively minor amounts of UV, so when the lights are on in this room (not often), 80% of a small amount of UV would be blocked by regular glass. A different option might be obtaining UV film (available at stores such as Home Depot or Lowes) to place on the regular glass. These reportedly block out 99% of UV. Any thoughts? Ron Hekier >From: Joel Kovarsky Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >Subject: [MapHist] UV light protection Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:12:47 >-0400 > >As I understand it, uv light protection gets a bit complex. Exposure is not >only controlled by the surface of the display case, but also the source in >the room. I am hardly an expert, but there seems to be a decent discussion >at: , dealing specifically with light damage. This is within the framework >of a larger conservation course at the Northeast Document Conservation >Center at Andover, MA: . > >Joel Kovarsky > >_______________________________________________________________ MapHist: >E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty >of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and >opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not >necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of >Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List >Information: http://www.maphist.info _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:32:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [MapHist] UV light protection From: Helen Glazer To: Maphist X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl What about UV plexiglas, either by itself, or with a layer of glass over it if you want beveled glass on top? Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Helen Glazer, Creative Director George Glazer Gallery Antique Globes, Maps & Prints http://www.georgeglazer.com helen@georgeglazer.com Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø Ø On 10/23/03 11:53 PM, "Ron Hekier" wrote: > ------------------------------------------- > Greetings all. > > I am having a local craftsman build a flat file for me to store my maps. We > decided upon creating a "shadow box" or display of the top drawer. The top > of the flat file will have a glass surface and the top file drawer will be > lined with felt thus creating a display for the map in the top drawer to be > seen. > The flat file will be in a room that receives no direct sunlight. The > window is covered with wood blinds which are drawn at an angle to prevent > direct sunlight and also covered with sheer curtain drapes which block > further light. The room is lit by incandescent bulbs. > > My inital request was to have UV blocking glass installed in the top. > However, my craftsman is having difficulty obtaining UV blocking glass with > beveled edges to meet our specifications. He asks if I can use regular > glass for the top. > > Here are my thoughts: > I have read that regular glass blocks ~80% of UV rays. If this is true, the > map would be protected from outside sunlight by two sheets of glass; the > windows, and the top of the flat file. This would result in 4% of UV > getting through, and that is from indirect sunlight as the room is rather > dark most of the day given the drawn blinds and curtain sheers. > Incandescent lights reportedly give out relatively minor amounts of UV, so > when the lights are on in this room (not often), 80% of a small amount of UV > would be blocked by regular glass. > A different option might be obtaining UV film (available at stores such as > Home Depot or Lowes) to place on the regular glass. These reportedly block > out 99% of UV. > Any thoughts? _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "YVETTE COHEN" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [MapHist] cordiform world map made of rock salt (trivia) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:55:06 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
Ron --
 
It's the same person, but not the same piece of art.
That one was linseed. This one is rock salt.
I do not know if the maps are "identical". Both are heart-shaped.
 
Ruth Watson's email address is cc'ed above.
 
best regards,
Israel "izzy" Cohen
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Wild
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MapHist] cordiform world map made of rock salt (trivia)

"place on earth" Project described at http://the-riotact.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=9


At 05:13 PM 10/21/03 -0700, you wrote:
Hi Israel,
Are you referring to the heart-shaped map exhibited at the Canberra
Contemporary Art Space last year, created from linseed?

Rosemarie McKeon

Ruth Watson, who describes herself as "an old maphister", has created
a heart-shaped world map of rock salt. Is this a historic first? I
suggested
calling it "Salt of the Earth" but it is already entitled "L'Origine du
Monde"
and is currently on display on the floor of a gallery in Canberra..

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Beth Calnon" To: Subject: [MapHist] Fw: Help please Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:35:34 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
 

A few years ago I came across an old map at an auction and impressed by it's beauty I purchased it for $15.00
 
As I was packing it for storage today I read once again the inscription on the back of the frame
 
" The Map depicts the four seasons, the four elements the seven wonders of the world and the heavenly bodies. The Map was printed in Holland in 1582 by Blaeu. Blaeu is considered one of the greatest cartographers of his era or any other era. This map was reproduced by offset printing from the original print of the map made by Blaeu"
 
The Sticker on the back reads:
Barry's
Picture Frames
Art Supplies
Mirrors
Restoring
 
326 Morris Avenue
Elizabeth NJ
Elizabeth 2 - 1751
 
 
MAP NAME:
Nova totius terrarum orbis geographica ac hydrographica tabula
Auct.
Gulielmus Blaeuw
ENGRAVER:
Josua vanden Ende
 
I decided to check this out today on the internet and realized the significance of the map prints and their potential value. During this resaerch I came across your site. Do you feel the map would justify further examination? 
 
Thank you
 
Beth Calnon
bethcalnon@comcast.net
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Al Magary" To: "MapHist" Subject: [MapHist] Forma Urbis Romae--giant marble map of ancient Rome Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:02:17 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
An item in the Internet Scout Report (http://scout.wisc.edu/) calls attention to an unusual map, in fragments, digited by the Michelangelo Project:
 
The Digital Michelangelo Project [pdf, RealOne Player, exe, Microsoft PowerPoint]

http://graphics.stanford.edu/projects/mich/

In an effort to create and archive three dimensional computer representations of some of history's most important cultural artifacts, researchers from Stanford University and the University of Washington have employed laser rangefinder technologies to scan items and preserve them digitally. The project has mainly focused on some of Michelangelo's sculptures, including the famous David statue, but has also "scanned 1,163 fragments of the Forma Urbis Romae, a giant marble map of ancient Rome." Visitors to the project's homepage can download the ScanView software, which lets users virtually fly around the models of the statues. Research papers about the technologies used in the project and the algorithms developed by its members are also available. This site is also reviewed in the October 24 NSDL MET Report. [CL]

>From The Scout Report, Copyright Internet Scout Project 1994-2003. http://scout.wisc.edu/

--

conveyed by Al Magary

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Fw: Help please To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.11 July 24, 2002 From: dyallen@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:56:23 -0700 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on nmta.cc.sunysb.edu/DoIT(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 10/24/2003 12:56:26 PM X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Facsimiles of old maps can be both beautiful and useful for research, but most of them are not worth any special consideration from scholars or map curators. There is no replacement for the real thing. Images of original maps on the Internet are more valuable for research in my opinion. David Allen Map Librarian Stony Brook University _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Rodney Shirley" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Fw: Help please Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:42:44 +0100 Organization: UUNET X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
To Beth Calnon (& al)
 
The map you have bought would seem to be a modern reproduction [facsimile] of a map first published in 1606 by the celebrated Dutch cartographer Willem J Blaeu. The map was reprinted many times, especially between 1630 and 1658, and the reproduction was most probably taken from an original of that time. With all the decorative features in the borders, it is a fine example of the map-maker's art.
 
 Original examples from the 1630s onwards come on the market for £8,000 or more depending on colour and condition; substantially more for the earlier states. The offset-printed facsimile is very attractive to have and $15 seems a fair price.
 
Rodney Shirley
Buckingham, UK
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Sent: 24 October 2003 17:35
Subject: [MapHist] Fw: Help please

 

A few years ago I came across an old map at an auction and impressed by it's beauty I purchased it for $15.00
 
As I was packing it for storage today I read once again the inscription on the back of the frame
 
" The Map depicts the four seasons, the four elements the seven wonders of the world and the heavenly bodies. The Map was printed in Holland in 1582 by Blaeu. Blaeu is considered one of the greatest cartographers of his era or any other era. This map was reproduced by offset printing from the original print of the map made by Blaeu"
 
The Sticker on the back reads:
Barry's
Picture Frames
Art Supplies
Mirrors
Restoring
 
326 Morris Avenue
Elizabeth NJ
Elizabeth 2 - 1751
 
 
MAP NAME:
Nova totius terrarum orbis geographica ac hydrographica tabula
Auct.
Gulielmus Blaeuw
ENGRAVER:
Josua vanden Ende
 
I decided to check this out today on the internet and realized the significance of the map prints and their potential value. During this resaerch I came across your site. Do you feel the map would justify further examination? 
 
Thank you
 
Beth Calnon
bethcalnon@comcast.net
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" Subject: [MapHist] 'Forma Urbis Romae' and a listing of other digital projects Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:02:15 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Al Magary has kindly passed on details of Stanford University's 'Forma Urbis Romae' Project. For links to forty such projects please see 'A round-up of national and international digital projects concerning early mapping' < http://www.maphistory.info/projects.html >. If you know of any others, please let me have the details. ***************************************** Tony Campbell 76 Ockendon Road London N1 3NW UK t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk Tel: 020 7359 6477 International: +44 20 7359 6477 ****************************************** 'Map History / History of Cartography: THE Gateway to the Subject' http://www.maphistory.info/ [NB. New address August 2003] _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:30:18 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: Re: [MapHist] The hand as map X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from [Mr Lindsay Frederick Braun ] (just returned from vacation, this is a quite old message, more follow, Peter) At 08:43 AM 10/15/2003 -0400, you wrote: > Last evening after a Philoiblon Club meeting, I was returning to my > suburban lair in the company of Robert S. Cox (Keeper of Manuscripts at ... > identification, it has to be considered as a form of > cartographic/geographic communication and should be studied. The first > step is to learn from Michiganders if this is indeed true or if I had a > joke played on me. Oh, no; I spent the first 25 years of my life in southeastern Michigan, and I can guarantee you that it is indeed true. It bears further extension, in that the other hand can be added to produce the upper peninsula; it is especially effective when one is wearing that most Michigan of wintry garments, the mitten. And yes, we really do learn our geography that way; Traverse City is at the pinkie tip, Alpena at the forefinger tip, Clare in the middle, Detroit near the heel, and Holland across the hand from the thumb base. Whenever someone asks me where I'm from, and to explain its location, the hand still comes up to this day--no doubt to the amusement of the South Africans and Europeans who have witnessed it (and many of whom, like you, are a bit skeptical at first that it's a real idiom). Incidentally, as much as we love "Michiganders," it is technically correct to call us "Michiganians"; those from the two peninsulas have other names for one another that are geographically based: we call them "Yoopers" (from UP, or Upper Peninsula) and they call us "Trolls" (because we live, well, under the bridge--the Mackinac bridge, that is). Some of our family who are from southern Ontario also refer to their part of Canada as "the upside-down elephant," but I've never actually been able to see the shape they seem to think is so clear. Maybe *they're* the ones having a spot of fun on us... all best Lindsay Frederick Braun (Mr) Dept of History Rutgers University / UNISA Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:34:13 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] Pierre DuVal - Les Tables de Geographie Reduites en Un Jeu De Cartes X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from [Ken Atherton ] Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:06:37 +0100 To: "Lis-maps is a forum for discussing news, ideas, issues, policies and practi" , maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Ken Atherton Subject: Help: With apologies for cross-posting. Can anyone help Albert? His address is stanjax@comcast.net ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Can you help me find a "Pierre DuVal "Les Tables de Geographie Reduites en Un Jeu De Cartes"? It is a uncut deck of cards of the four continent countries in one sheet. Do you know where I can look for this? Albert Jackson -- Ken Atherton British Cartographic Society Administration 12 Elworthy Drive Wellington Somerset TA21 9AT UK Tel/Fax 01823 665 775 http://www.cartography.org.uk _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:37:39 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: Re: [MapHist] Is he sailing west? X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Message too long (>20000 chars) (I removed the replied message, Peter) From: "Keith Pickering" Subject: Re: [MapHist] Is he sailing west? Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:48:17 -0500 Hi, A few points: 1. The ship seems to me to be two-masted, although the foremast is = covered by the large letter T. 2. The constellation, to my eyes, is indefinable and I suspect not = intended to be representative. I do not recognize the Big Dipper nor any = other specific part of the sky. 3. If directions must be assigned, the phase of the Moon is the best = clue. If in the northern hemisphere, the Moon is very old and indicates = that the image is "taken" at pre-dawn, the only time of night when such = a Moon is visible, and then only in the east. If we are looking east = into the image, the ship is sailing North. On the other hand, if = intended to be in the southern hemisphere (quite unlikely for an = illustration of, one assumes, Britain), then the very new Moon is in the = west, and the ship is sailing South. Keith Pickering The Columbus Navigation Homepage ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matthew Champion=20 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl=20 Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [MapHist] Is he sailing west? Dear Al =20 A little something to cloud your view. The woodcut initial has no = relevance to the date of Holinshed's chronicle as it had been used a = .... _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:40:54 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] ... with a senior moment X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl This message was rejected because the subject line started with "help", Peter From: "J.B. Post" Subject: Help with a senior moment Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:28:10 -0400 In the US, the phrase "having a senior moment" means a major memory = loss, not a trivial forgetting, but something on the order of failing to = remember the name of someone close. My senior moment is about something = I thought I published and I can find no record of it in the = indexes/indices consulted today. I know when I was a map librarian = (1964-1983) I interviewed Lewis Amsterdam, founder of Franklin Survey, = when the company was on Arch St. in Philadelphia and I know I wrote a = mini-history of the firm based on the interview. I thought it was = published, but I can't find any record of it. Let this be a lesson to = us all: keep a copy of everything. I thought it might have been = published in the SLA G&M Division BULLETIN, but the cumulative indices = show other things, but not that (unless I missed it). Can anyone help = me find the text? =20 I can always try to interview Andrew Amsterdam and reconstruct the = data. This is in connection with a history of the mapping of the "Main = Line" in suburban Philadlephia. Many of the communities are rather old, = but what is thought of as the Main Line by most people didn't exist = until the Pennsylvania Railroad spurred real estate development along = its tracks. It straddles three counties and sort of coincides with the = "Welsh Tract" or "Welsh Barony" of Colonial times. Franklin Survey was = a major mapper of the area in the 20th century. =20 Old What's-his-name _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:41:57 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: Re: [MapHist] UV light protection X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from ["Curt Griggs" ] Subject: Re: [MapHist] UV light protection Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:30:46 -0700 We have a friend that displays photographs in a fashion similar to what you are suggesting. He has two Fox Talbot photographs, circa 1840, that are covered with a dark, tightly woven cloth anytime they are not being viewed. Admittedly these photos are much more fragile and susceptible to damage than are maps, but this is a very simple and low tech solution that offers virtually complete protection from UV. Curt Griggs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Kovarsky" To: Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:12 PM Subject: [MapHist] UV light protection > As I understand it, uv light protection gets a bit complex. Exposure is not > only controlled by the surface of the display case, but also the source in > the room. I am hardly an expert, but there seems to be a decent discussion > at: , dealing specifically with > light damage. This is within the framework of a larger conservation course > at the Northeast Document Conservation Center at Andover, MA: > . > > Joel Kovarsky > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:43:34 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: Re: [MapHist] Fw: Help please X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from ["Curt Griggs" ] Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:36:13 -0700 Sorry, but the map is a 20th Century reproduction. It has no value = beyond being a decorative print. Curt Griggs Old Maps, LLC Antique Map & Digital Image Specialists www.oldmaps.com=20 Old World Auctions (www.oldworldauctions.com) Ph: 1-928-282-3944 Fx: 1-928-282-3945 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Beth Calnon=20 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl=20 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:35 AM Subject: [MapHist] Fw: Help please A few years ago I came across an old map at an auction and impressed by = it's beauty I purchased it for $15.00=20 As I was packing it for storage today I read once again the inscription = on the back of the frame=20 " The Map depicts the four seasons, the four elements the seven wonders = of the world and the heavenly bodies. The Map was printed in Holland in = 1582 by Blaeu. Blaeu is considered one of the greatest cartographers of = his era or any other era. This map was reproduced by offset printing = from the original print of the map made by Blaeu" The Sticker on the back reads: Barry's=20 Picture Frames Art Supplies Mirrors Restoring 326 Morris Avenue Elizabeth NJ Elizabeth 2 - 1751 MAP NAME: Nova totius terrarum orbis geographica ac hydrographica tabula=20 Auct. Gulielmus Blaeuw ENGRAVER: Josua vanden Ende I decided to check this out today on the internet and realized the = significance of the map prints and their potential value. During this = resaerch I came across your site. Do you feel the map would justify = further examination? =20 Thank you Beth Calnon bethcalnon@comcast.net _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:44:18 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: RE: [MapHist] Forma Urbis Romae--giant marble map of ancient Rome X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from ["Tom Elliott" ] Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:03:03 -0400 A direct link to the Forma Urbis portion of the project: http://formaurbis.stanford.edu/index.html Tom Elliott, M.A. (tom_elliott@unc.edu) Director, Ancient World Mapping Center http://www.unc.edu/awmc CB#8110, 5010 Davis Library University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, NC 27599-8110 U.S.A. =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] = On Behalf Of Al Magary Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:02 PM To: MapHist Subject: [MapHist] Forma Urbis Romae--giant marble map of ancient Rome An item in the Internet Scout Report (http://scout.wisc.edu/) calls attention to an unusual map, in fragments, digited by the Michelangelo Project: The Digital Michelangelo Project [pdf, RealOne Player, exe, Microsoft PowerPoint]=20 http://graphics.stanford.edu/projects/mich/=20 In an effort to create and archive three dimensional computer representations of some of history's most important cultural artifacts, researchers from Stanford University and the University of Washington = have employed laser rangefinder technologies to scan items and preserve them digitally. The project has mainly focused on some of Michelangelo's sculptures, including the famous David statue, but has also "scanned = 1,163 fragments of the Forma Urbis Romae, a giant marble map of ancient Rome." Visitors to the project's homepage can download the ScanView software, = which lets users virtually fly around the models of the statues. Research = papers about the technologies used in the project and the algorithms developed = by its members are also available. This site is also reviewed in the = October 24 NSDL MET Report. [CL]=20 >From The Scout Report, Copyright Internet Scout Project 1994-2003. http://scout.wisc.edu/=20 -- conveyed by Al Magary _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:45:27 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: Re: [MapHist] Fw: Help please X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl This message was rejected because html-encoding, Peter From: "Harold Osher" I think that the uncertainty here stems from the quoted "inscription on the back of the frame." This item appears to be a reproduction, not an original Blaeu printing. The confusing wording "reproduced...from the original print" should probably be "from an original print." [emphasis added] This is one of the most commonly reproduced maps from the "Golden Age of Dutch cartography," My guess is that it is worth about what it cost. The ascribed date is erroneous. The maker of the original, "Gulielmus Blaeuw" (Willem Blaeu) was born in 1571, and published the first state of this map in 1606, with many other later printings by the Blaeu firm, mostly from1630 onwards. Harold L. Osher, MD Osher Map Library, University of Southern Maine 314 Forest Avenue, Portland, ME 04104 Tel: (207) 780-4850 Fax: (207) 780-5310 email: osherh@hotmail.com www.usm.maine.edu/maps ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Beth Calnon" Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl To: Subject: [MapHist] Fw: Help please Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:35:34 -0400 A few years ago I came across an old map at an auction and impressed by it's beauty I purchased it for $15.00 As I was packing it for storage today I read once again the inscription on the back of the frame " The Map depicts the four seasons, the four elements the seven wonders of the world and the heavenly bodies. The Map was printed in Holland in 1582 by Blaeu. Blaeu is considered one of the greatest cartographers of his era or any other era. This map was reproduced by offset printing from the original print of the map made by Blaeu" The Sticker on the back reads: Barry's Picture Frames Art Supplies Mirrors Restoring 326 Morris Avenue Elizabeth NJ Elizabeth 2 - 1751 MAP NAME: Nova totius terrarum orbis geographica ac hydrographica tabula Auct. Gulielmus Blaeuw ENGRAVER: Josua vanden Ende I decided to check this out today on the internet and realized the significance of the map prints and their potential value. During this resaerch I came across your site. Do you feel the map would justify further examination? Thank you Beth Calnon bethcalnon@comcast.net ---------- Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to sign in enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Ed Dahl" To: "MAPHIST (to post)" Subject: [MapHist] Maps in museum exhibitions Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:59:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Could anyone on MapHist suggest some literature on this subject for a colleague at the new Canadian War Museum in Ottawa? Ed Dahl, 1292 Montée Paiement, Gatineau, Québec J8R 3K5, CANADA TEL: (819) 561-4029 FAX: (819) 561-7753 edahl@iosphere.net ***** ... We are plugging away at the museum and making good progress.... One of our latest issues is maps. As you can imagine, we plan to have a number of battle maps, historical maps, and active maps (showing movement, etc.). These are all key tools for displaying and conveying our ideas to the visitor but we can find nothing in the museum literature on the use of maps in museums. Now, I haven't actually done the searching myself, but a couple of our interpretive planners are coming up empty. So I thought I would turn to the cartographical experts and see if there is anything that you would recommend.... Any thoughts would be most welcome. ***** _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Givat97@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:46:24 EST Subject: Re: [MapHist] Maps in museum exhibitions To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl It is worth looking at the ideas of Jean and Martin for the display of maps in digital form for interpretation purposes. Jean has some very strong opinions about the display of hardcopy maps, but I doubt whether we will see them in print until her PhD is finished.

The best web sites for their interpretative use are:

http://www.envf.port.ac.uk/geo/old_hants_map.html

http://www.envf.port.ac.uk/geo/old_suss_map.html


Peter Collier
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Givat97@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:56:19 EST Subject: Re: [MapHist] Maps of Rhodesia and Nysaland from 1960 to 1964 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I would guess that these are the rather generalised 1:250,000 topographic maps produced in the early 1960s by the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland, before the break-up of the Federation and the independence of Nyasaland as Malawi, and Northern Rhodesia as Zambia. There were also 1:50,000 maps, but they would not fit the description of the maps being a 'set'.

The sheet, are fairly common, even in 'mint' condition and of little value ( I do not know of any maps of that period, which were published - as against secret military editions- that have any significant sale value). They have little real historical interest, except as products of the short-lived Federation, as the small scale meant that the information is generalised.

Peter Collier
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Paul Hughes" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] Is he sailing west? Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:35:23 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Al, The moon is above the horizon for the duration of half of each earthly revolution but it is particularly conspicuous at night because of its light. The visibility of the stars do indeed mean that the depiction is for the night time. (For shortness a northern hemisphere is assumed.) If the ship is heading north then the moon is in the east, rising. The moon could be said to be new and, if so, the sun has a greater declination - implying Summer. If however the ship is heading south then the moon is in the west, setting. The moon could then be said to be old and, if so, the sun has a smaller declination - implying Winter. Paul. Check out my web site: http://www.airmynyorks.co.uk Captain Paul Hughes 106 High Street Airmyn Yorkshire DN14 8LB _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Al Magary" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Is he sailing west? Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:45:01 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Thanks to Paul Hughes and Keith Pickering for their analytical comments about the decorated "T" in Holinshed's Chronicles (1587). Along with its use in the preface to the whole work (in vol. 1), it is also used at the beginning of the Elizabeth I chapter (in vol. 3). Of course, she was the reigning monarch at the time of publication, but none of the other kings or her sister Mary got similarly decorated initials. My brother, who sails, commented about this little picture: ""The point doesn't seem to involve navigation by the stars, because the big deal about the picture is that he's being guided by Neptune and his dolphin. Which leaves the question, why is the scene depicted as being at night? Taken literally, this depicts a dangerous situation for a 16th c. mariner...with the wind behind him (strongly emphasized by the flying cape and windblown hair), the skipper's being driven onto a lee shore at night." I haven't yet examined any of Holinshed's chapters about the Tudors (1485-1603)--that's some 830 pp. in blackletter--to see how much space is devoted to exploration and discovery, but the decorated "T" shows some awareness that England had become a seagoing nation. Al Magary _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:52:38 -0800 (PST) From: Jay Lester Subject: [MapHist] Alice Hudson to speak at UNC meeting To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Greetings, Final reminder for our upcoming meeting in Chapel Hill on Friday evening, November 14 and Saturday morning, November 15. Program of events is included at the end of this e-mail. Please RSVP by Tuesday, November 4, if you have not replied previously. This is going to be a GREAT meeting!!! I hope many of you are planning to attend. RSVP via e-mail to jay@cummingmapsociety.org . (REMEMBER, don't use the "Reply" button) In your response, please address the following: 1. Whether or not you will be attending the Friday events (and number attending), 2. Whether or not you will be attending the Saturday events (and number attending), 3. Whether or not you will be attending dinner Friday evening at a local restaurant after Alice Hudson's talk (and number attending) I look forward to seeing you in November. Regards, Jay L. Jay Lester Chapel Hill, NC http://www.cummingmapsociety.org ART to SCIENCE America and the Southeast in Early Maps Joe A. Hewitt, University Librarian and The Friends of the Library at The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Cordially invite you to enjoy a reception and lecture honoring the exhibit "ART TO SCIENCE: AMERICA AND THE SOUTHEAST IN EARLY MAPS" Selections from the Map Collection of Dave M. Davis, M.D., F.A.P.A. FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 14, 2003 RECEPTION AT 5:00 P.M. Melba Remig Saltarelli Exhibit Room, Louis Round Wilson Library LECTURE AT 6:00 P.M. Pleasants Family Assembly Room, Louis Round Wilson Library Alice Hudson, Chief of the Map Division at The New York Public Library "From Dawn to Dusk, England turns from East to West: Maps as images of the English worldview, from the Medieval to the Early Modern" Maps mirror the style, politics and policies of a time. Ms. Hudson places the mapping of America and North Carolina in the context of English exploration and settlement along the Middle Atlantic. Ms. Hudson has spent the past two decades building and studying the map collection of the New York Public Library. Her insights will enrich our understanding of the power and symbolism of maps and of the Davis collection exhibited in Wilson Library through the end of December 2003. Parking is available in most University lots starting at 5:00 p.m. The Bell Tower lot and Stadium Drive, both off South Road, are most convenient to Wilson Library. * * * * * THE WILLIAM P. CUMMING MAP SOCIETY You are cordially invited to attend a meeting of The William P. Cumming Map Society in association with the exhibit "Art to Science: America and the Southeast in Early Maps" Selections from the Map Collection of Dave M. Davis, M.D., F.A.P.A. Saturday, November 15, 2003 Wilson Library The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 9:30 a.m. Coffee, Entrance Lobby 10:00 a.m. Lecture by Dr. Dave M. Davis Pleasants Family Assembly Room 10:45 a.m. Gallery Talk by Dr. Davis Melba Remig Saltarelli Exhibit Room Parking is available in most University lots on Saturday. The Bell Tower lot and Stadium Drive, both off South Road, are most convenient to Wilson Library. Link to parking map for UNC campus. The Bell Tower (shown on map) is "pointing" at the Wilson Library (not shown). http://www.unc.edu/visitors/parking.html Links to local lodging can be found here: http://www.chocvb.org/accom.shtml (this list includes Chapel Hill plus other locations throughout Orange County) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Dorothy Sloan" To: Subject: [MapHist] Domingo Carranza Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:40:38 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl There are two 1740 printings of the following described book. Does anyone know which printing came first? Thank you, Dorothy Sloan GONZALEZ CARRANZA, Domingo (attributed). A Geographical Description of the Coasts, Harbours, and Sea Ports of the Spanish West-Indies; Particularly of Porto Bello, Cartagena, and the Island of Cuba...Translated [by Caleb Smith] from a Curious and Authentic Manuscript, written in Spanish by Domingo Gonzales Carranza, his Catholic Majesty's Principal Pilot of the Flota in New Spain, Anno 1718.... London: Caleb Smith (Inventor of the New Sea Quadrant) at his Office, for Insuring Ships and Merchandize, in Castle-Alley, Cornhill: And sold by Mess. Strahan, Meadows, Brotherton, Clarke, and Willock, Booksellers in Cornhill; Payne in Pope's-Head Alley; Innys in St. Paul's Church-yard; Robinson in Ludgate-Street; Manby on Ludgate-Hill; Senex and Whiston in Fleet-Street; and Mr. Nourse without Temple Bar, 1740. [i-ii] iii-xi [1, verso blank], 13-136, [8] pp., 5 folded copper-engraved maps and charts: [1] A New and Correct Chart or Map of the West Indies. &c. (28.3 x 39 cm; Gulf of Mexico, unattributed Southern U.S., Mexico, Central America and northern South America); [2] A Plan of the Harbour and City of La Vera Cruz (18.5 x 16.5 cm; below neat line: P. Harrison Delin.); [3] A Plan of the Harbour & City of Cartagena (18.8 x 15.1 cm; below neat line: P. Harrison Delin.); [4] A Plan of the Harbour and City of Havana (18.3 cm x 29 cm; below neat line: P. Harrison Delin.); [5] A Plan of the Harbour and Town of Porto Bello (19 x 22 cm; below neat line: P. Harrison Delin.). This is one of two versions that came out in 1740. The other printing has a different collation (xi, [1], 124, [8] pp., 5 maps), imprint listing only Caleb Smith, and no errata (see European Americana 1740/140). JCB (1) III:668. European Americana 1740/141. Palau 105157. Phillips, Maps of America 1055. Sabin 11030, 27899. Not in Lowery or Medina, Biblioteca hispano-Americana. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:50:49 +0000 From: Anne Taylor Organization: CUL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,af,sq,eu,bg,be,ca,zh,zh-CN,hr,cs,da,nl,nl-BE,en-GB,en-US,fo,fi,fr,fr-BE,gl,de,de-DE,el,hu,is,id,ga,it,ja,ko,mk,no,pl,pt,ro,ru,gd,sr,sk,sl,es,es-ES,sv,tr,uk To: lis-maps messages , Map Hist messages , Carto Soc messages Subject: [MapHist] Cartographic Talk in Cambridge (UK) X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Apologies for cross-posting I though that the following talk may be of interest THE HISTORY OF THE BOOK SEMINAR at Cambridge Thursday 13 November Laurence Worms (Ash Rare Books, London) Meaning at the margin: the bibliographical reading of maps in eighteenth-century London publications OCR, Trinity College, Trinity Street 5.30 (Ask the Porter for directions) ALL WELCOME See map for location: http://www.cam.ac.uk/map/ For further information, please contact the convenors Dr Kate Bennett, Pembroke College (ksb23@cam.ac.uk) Dr Anne Henry, Trinity College (ach18@cam.ac.uk) (Wine is served and it is a pleasant social occasion! - Kate Bennett) -- **************************************************************** Anne Taylor Head of the Map Department Cambridge University Library West Road Tel: +44 (0)1223-333041 Cambridge Fax: +44 (0)1223-333160 CB3 9DR ENGLAND email: aemt2@cam.ac.uk www.lib.cam.ac.uk _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Authentication-Warning: lion.hosting.dc.hol.net: apache set sender to dilos@hol.gr using -f Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:43:53 +0200 From: dilos@hol.gr To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Call for Papers - ANISTORITON Journal User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 195.97.107.227 X-Service: HOL EasyMail X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.3.3(snapshot 20020312) (kosmos) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Call for Papers for Volume 8 (2004) ANISTORITON Journal (in English). ANISTORITON was founded in 1997 and is a peer-reviewed Internet and CD-ROM Journal of History, Archaeology & ArtHistory. ANISTORITON is the greek word for "ignorant in History." 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