X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Steve Philips" To: Subject: [MapHist] question for IChc 2005 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:55:59 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by UGent DICT X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
hello,

Is it possible to put a call for papers for the next ICHC in Budapest. I
would like to participate on the conference. What do i have to do?

steve philips
University Ghent

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: krogt@pop.geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:11:59 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Peter van der Krogt Subject: Re: [MapHist] question for IChc 2005 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Steve All information on the next ICHC is on their webpage: http://lazarus.elte.hu/~zoltorok/ichc2005.htm, this website includes also the e-mail address of the organization. Peter At 13:55 1-3-2004, you wrote: >hello, > >Is it possible to put a call for papers for the next ICHC in Budapest. I >would like to participate on the conference. What do i have to do? > >steve philips >University Ghent YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Dr Peter van der Krogt Map Historian, Explokart Research Program Faculty of Geo-sciences, University of Utrecht P.O. Box 80.115 3508 TC UTRECHT, The Netherlands e-mail: peter@vanderkrogt.net Homepage: MapHist: Genealogy: Elementymology: Columbus Monuments: YYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PER ANGUSTA AD AUGUSTA YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: dach-karthist@library2.ethz.ch, libergdc@nls.uk, lis-maps@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, maphist@geog.uu.nl, MAPS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Cc: E.Rae@RGS.org, S.Brace@rgs.org Subject: [MapHist] Royal Geographical Society (with IBG) online catalogues (2004) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:22:20 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

[posted simultaneously to DACH; to LIBERgdc; to 'Lis-maps'; to 'MapHist'; and to 'MAPS-L']

 

One of the two major current projects of this Society (founded 1830), aided by the Heritage Lottery Fund, is the conversion to OPAC of (chiefly) card catalogues of the Library, the Map Room, the Archives, the Picture Library, and of the Artefacts Collections; the second major project includes a completely new Reading Room where all sorts of materials, relating to one theme or person, may be consulted in one place.

 

The time has come to test the combined online catalogue of these constituent Collections before its official 'launch' in June.  Please note that, *as regards holdings of the Map Room*, the Heritage Lottery Fund has aided conversion of the *catalogue records of items from the 15th century to c.1940 only*.  Several cartographic works (e.g. the itineraries, road-books, and Cary materials - from the 16th to the 19th centuries - of the Fordham Collection) are in the Library's catalogue.  Please also remember that only the data on the original records has been keyboarded (abroad!), and partially edited; there is much work yet to be done.  On behalf of the Society's Librarian, Mr Eugene Rae, I invite subscribers to the 5 internet cartographic discussion lists above to take part in this test. 

 

If anybody is interested in taking part in a mass test of the RGS-IBG's on-line catalogue please email e.rae@rgs.org with the word testcat52 as the subject. This will activate an automated response that contains details of how to take part.

 

Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG)

f.herbert@rgs.org

http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives']

 

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 15:33:42 +0100 X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "From" header. From: Dr.Zsolt Török Organization: Dept.of Cartography, ELTE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] ICHC 2005 -Budapest X-ELTE-SpamVersion: MailScanner-4.26.8-itk2 SpamAssassin 2.63 ClamAV 0.65 X-ELTE-VirusStatus: clean X-ELTE-SpamCheck: no X-ELTE-SpamCheck-Details: score=-4.9, required 5.9, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -4.90 X-ELTE-SpamLevel: X-ELTE-SpamScore: -4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear MapHisters, The date of the 21st International Conference on the History of Cartography, Budapest, Hungary has changed, please, note the new date: 17-22 July, 2005! For basic conference information please, visit our web page at: http://lazarus.elte.hu/ichc2005.htm or contact the conference Secretary with you questions, comments, suggestions: ichc2005'et'lazarus.elte.hu We look forward to hearing from you, Zsolt Torok Conference Director _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] FW: Journal of Maps: a new multi-disciplinary, international jour nal] Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 16:48:15 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl As "academic map publication is in gradual decline" a new journal is being proposed. Here is forwarded a message just posted on 'Lis-maps' by Nick Millea (Bodleian Library Map Room). Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps [in a gradual decline?], RGS-IBG) f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] -----Original Message----- From: Nick Millea [mailto:nam@BODLEY.OX.AC.UK] Sent: 02 March 2004 16:35 To: lis-maps@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Journal of Maps: a new multi-disciplinary, international journal] Dear All, Just heard about this - anyone know any more? Nick Millea ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 8:45 AM Subject: [Fwd: Journal of Maps: a new multi-disciplinary, international journal] > FYI - this may be of interest to other geographers here! > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Journal of Maps: a new multi-disciplinary, international journal > From: David Wilkins > Date: Mon, March 1, 2004 11:53 pm > To: GEOMORPH-L@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU > > This message was originally submitted by michael.smith@HSM.ORG.UK > > Journal of Maps: a new multi-disciplinary, international journal > Website: http://www.journalofmaps.com > Launch: 4th May 2004 > > We are pleased to announce a "call for papers" for the newly created > Journal of Maps (JoM). The establishment of JoM has come out of the > realisation that academic map publication is in gradual decline. JoM > will provide a channel for researchers to publish map based material not > normally accepted by traditional journals that can then be > referred to and viewed by others. > > JoM has been established as a UK charity, aiming to publish original, > bespoke, maps from any discipline. The editorial panel has been > specifically put together to provide a broad range of knowledge, > expertise and experience. As a journal, we suspect that initial > emphasis will be upon traditional geo-subjects, however other subject > areas will be strongly encouraged to submit original work. > > JoM is an entirely electronic, online journal. All published material > will be given away freely and therefore JoM has opted to follow a > reverse publishing model. The author will pay a nominal fee to cover the > review and distribution process. The journal's website > (http://www.journalofmaps.com) will provide a fully searchable > front-end to JoM's published materials. We accept that not everyone will > want to view maps electronically and therefore all materials will be of > press publishable quality. > > In order to use the online facilities of JoM, a user needs to > register. Basic registration allows access to published materials; > personal details need to be provided in order to submit a map for > publication. The principal author will need to supply a press-quality > map and a short article ready for review. The article should describe > the data presented in the map and any pertinent techniques used during > the collection/mapping process. We will not accept long articles > incorporating data analysis and interpretation, as these would be > better published in traditional subject-based journals. The principal > author should also supply the details of two people who may act as > external referees; these persons should not have recently published with > the author(s) or work at the same institution. When submitted, an > article will be reviewed by two members of the editorial panel, in > addition to the two external referees. > > -- > Dr Mike J Smith > School of Earth Sciences and Geography > Kingston University > Penrhyn Road > Kingston-upon-Thames > Surrey > KT1 2EE UK > tel +44 (0)208 547 7500 > fax +44 (0)208 547 7497 > > ************************************ > > > David E. Wilkins > Assistant Professor of Geosciences > Boise State University 208-426-2390 voice > 1910 University Drive 208-426-4061 fax > Boise, Idaho 83725-1535 > > "Sometimes I think war is God's way of teaching us geography."-Paul > Rodriguez > > "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, > and I'm not sure about the former." Attributed to Albert Einstein > > > > --- End Forwarded Message --- ________________________________________________________ Nick Millea Map Librarian, Bodleian Library, Broad Street, Oxford, OX1 3BG tel : 01865 287119 fax : 01865 277139 email : nam@bodley.ox.ac.uk homepage: http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/guides/maps/ ________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Map Exhibit Opening and Lecture at the Library of Virginia Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 14:37:32 -0500 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Map Exhibit Opening and Lecture at the Library of Virginia Thread-Index: AcQAjc4XFmDabE8pQvKx23af++XF9g== From: "Marianne McKee" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Message

The Library of Virginia is pleased to announce the opening of "Maps, Charts, & Atlases:The Alan M. Voorhees Collection at the Library of Virginia," a major exhibition of early maps and atlases that the Library of Virginia recently received as a gift from one of the state's most distinguished collectors.  In conjunction with the exhibit opening, on Saturday, March 6 at 3:00 p.m., Dr. Mary Sponberg Pedley will give the initial lecture in the newly established Alan M. and Nathalie P. Voorhees Lecture Series on the History of Cartography.  Her topic:  "In Praise of Collecting: The Art of Map Making and Map Keeping."

The exhibition can be viewed in the Library's main exhibition gallery from 9:00 A.M. until 5:00 P.M., Monday through Saturday (state holidays excepted) from 1 March 2004 through 3 July 2004.

The Library of Virginia is located at 800 East Broad Street in downtown Richmond. There is free underground parking for Library visitors.

For more information on this and other programs and services of the Library of Virginia, please visit the Library's web site at http://www.lva.lib.va.us or call 804-692-3592.

Marianne M. McKee
Senior Research Archivist and Map Specialist
The Library of Virginia
804.692.3575

 

 

 

 

 

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: WJWarren@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 14:56:50 EST Subject: Re: [MapHist] FW: Journal of Maps: a new multi-disciplinary, international jo... To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl In reviewing the new Journal of Maps website I understand they are currently looking for papers to be published in the first issue in May of this year. I suspect many members of MapHist will be interested in seeing this and will appreciate having had it brought to our attention. The editors noted a decline in scholarly publication of map subjects. The demise of both Mercator's World and The Map Collector have left a rather large void in general map related publications, filled only partially by the IMCoS Journal, MapForum, and the Portolan. Hopefully the editors might want to expand their coverage although there are those of us who may balk at paying to be published rather than the other way around. In any case, more power to them for getting the idea off on the right foot. Bill Warren 1109 Linda Glen Drive Pasadena, CA 91105 (626) 792-9152 fax (626) 568-4945 wjwarren@aol.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Rodney Shirley" To: "maphist" Subject: [MapHist] Lost email Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:23:14 -0000 Organization: UUNET X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Is the name Jerry Boden known to anyone reading this message? He is not known to me but I had an unsolicited map query, by email, from him. Unfortunately he included a LARGE attachment which blocked all my other incoming messages. I had to unblock it and in the process lost his address. I'd like to ask him to contact me again, without the attachment. He is not in the current IMCoS directory. If any maphister can help--many thanks. Rodney Shirley rws@dial.pipex.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" Subject: [MapHist] Two pieces of sad news from Russia Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 16:11:53 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Very brief details have been passed on about two recent events in Russia. I have no further information about either of them: 1. "With deep regret we inform you of the tragic death of Doctor Alexey Karimov on Saturday, 28 February, 2004 in an auto accident." My entry for him on < http://www.maphistory.info/futurephd.html > reads: Alexey Karimov, Institute of the History of Science and Technology's Scientific Council on the History of Geography and Geology. [due Spring 2004]. 'Istoriya Rossiyskogo kadastra i kadastrovay kartografii' [A history of the Russian cadaster and cadastral mapping]. For the (higher) Doctor of Science Degree. {He obtained his Ph.D several years ago.} 2. [Dated 2 March]. "The Map Library of the National Library burnt down last week - no lives lost, but much damage." ***************************************** Tony Campbell 76 Ockendon Road London N1 3NW UK t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk Tel: 020 7359 6477 International: +44 20 7359 6477 ****************************************** 'Map History / History of Cartography: THE Gateway to the Subject' http://www.maphistory.info/ [NB. New address August 2003] _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 07:59:49 -0800 From: "Duane F. Marble" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax; CDonDemand-Dom) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Offical Canadian cartafact X-Spam-Rating: mail.oregonfast.net 0/1/N X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl The following from this morning's GIS Monitor: $100 Map for Canada. There's a new $100 bill coming out in Canada in March. On the back is a map of the country. And, to squeeze the big country onto the tiny canvas, compromises had to made. Land areas were moved a bit here or there, mountains were exaggerated, nothing new to cartographers. In particular the team behind it wanted Canada to look like people think it looks, that is, have islands be islands. The new landcover/topographic map is paired with an old map created by Champlain in 1632. -- Dr. Duane F. Marble Email: marble.1@osu.edu 2226 Primrose Lane Telephone: (541) 902-8837 Florence, OR 97439 Cell: (541) 991-1730 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Two pieces of sad news from Russia Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 08:35:03 +0100 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MapHist] Two pieces of sad news from Russia Thread-Index: AcQBOzlPlBE4t+MiQsiumyJ0pOS36wBRhdTA From: "Werner, J.W.H." To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Tony and others, 'Fortunately' I can reduce or define this sad news on one point. I contacted the Netherlands Institute in St. Petersburg for more information on this fire in the National Library's Map Library. Both institutes have a frequent communication and cooperation these days as two volumes of the library's copy of Braun & Hogenberg's Civitates Orbis Terrarum are being / have been restored with the support of the Dutch universities (as a gift for the 300 year's jubilee of the city of St. Petersburg). Their comment was thus: I can reassure you that there has been no fire in the library [of Ludmila Kildushevskaja]. There must be a misunderstanding. On the 19th of February indeed the Blok Library burnt down, which is housed in the former Dutch Church. A lot of damage was there, also to its building. I hope this is a (partial) relief to many colleagues. Kind regards, Jan Werner ------------------------------------------- >>> wijziging e-mailadres: mailto:J.W.H.Werner@uva.nl Drs. Jan W.H. Werner Conservator Kaarten & Atlassen, Kaartenzaal Universiteitsbibliotheek Amsterdam Singel 425, 1012 WP AMSTERDAM Postbus 19185, 1000 GD AMSTERDAM t: +31 20 5252354 f: +31 20 5252311 http://www.uba.uva.nl/bijzondere_collecties ------------------------------------------- -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl]Namens tony campbell Verzonden: woensdag 3 maart 2004 17:12 Aan: *MapHist Onderwerp: [MapHist] Two pieces of sad news from Russia Very brief details have been passed on about two recent events in Russia. I have no further information about either of them: 1. "With deep regret we inform you of the tragic death of Doctor Alexey Karimov on Saturday, 28 February, 2004 in an auto accident." My entry for him on < http://www.maphistory.info/futurephd.html > reads: Alexey Karimov, Institute of the History of Science and Technology's Scientific Council on the History of Geography and Geology. [due Spring 2004]. 'Istoriya Rossiyskogo kadastra i kadastrovay kartografii' [A history of the Russian cadaster and cadastral mapping]. For the (higher) Doctor of Science Degree. {He obtained his Ph.D several years ago.} 2. [Dated 2 March]. "The Map Library of the National Library burnt down last week - no lives lost, but much damage." ***************************************** Tony Campbell 76 Ockendon Road London N1 3NW UK t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk Tel: 020 7359 6477 International: +44 20 7359 6477 ****************************************** 'Map History / History of Cartography: THE Gateway to the Subject' http://www.maphistory.info/ [NB. New address August 2003] _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: 171.75.44.53 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "mandraki@erols.com" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Two pieces of sad news from Russia Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:18:31 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2004 12:18:31.0473 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9143210:01C402AB] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Jan Thank you for the clarification. I have been trying to learn what I could about this matter, and I could find no trace of any news coverage, so this comes as a relief. Bert Johnson Original Message: ----------------- From: Werner, J.W.H. J.W.H.Werner@uva.nl Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 08:35:03 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Two pieces of sad news from Russia Dear Tony and others, 'Fortunately' I can reduce or define this sad news on one point. I contacted the Netherlands Institute in St. Petersburg for more information on this fire in the National Library's Map Library. Both institutes have a frequent communication and cooperation these days as two volumes of the library's copy of Braun & Hogenberg's Civitates Orbis Terrarum are being / have been restored with the support of the Dutch universities (as a gift for the 300 year's jubilee of the city of St. Petersburg). Their comment was thus: I can reassure you that there has been no fire in the library [of Ludmila Kildushevskaja]. There must be a misunderstanding. On the 19th of February indeed the Blok Library burnt down, which is housed in the former Dutch Church. A lot of damage was there, also to its building. I hope this is a (partial) relief to many colleagues. Kind regards, Jan Werner ------------------------------------------- >>> wijziging e-mailadres: mailto:J.W.H.Werner@uva.nl Drs. Jan W.H. Werner Conservator Kaarten & Atlassen, Kaartenzaal Universiteitsbibliotheek Amsterdam Singel 425, 1012 WP AMSTERDAM Postbus 19185, 1000 GD AMSTERDAM t: +31 20 5252354 f: +31 20 5252311 http://www.uba.uva.nl/bijzondere_collecties ------------------------------------------- -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl]Namens tony campbell Verzonden: woensdag 3 maart 2004 17:12 Aan: *MapHist Onderwerp: [MapHist] Two pieces of sad news from Russia Very brief details have been passed on about two recent events in Russia. I have no further information about either of them: 1. "With deep regret we inform you of the tragic death of Doctor Alexey Karimov on Saturday, 28 February, 2004 in an auto accident." My entry for him on < http://www.maphistory.info/futurephd.html > reads: Alexey Karimov, Institute of the History of Science and Technology's Scientific Council on the History of Geography and Geology. [due Spring 2004]. 'Istoriya Rossiyskogo kadastra i kadastrovay kartografii' [A history of the Russian cadaster and cadastral mapping]. For the (higher) Doctor of Science Degree. {He obtained his Ph.D several years ago.} 2. [Dated 2 March]. "The Map Library of the National Library burnt down last week - no lives lost, but much damage." ***************************************** Tony Campbell 76 Ockendon Road London N1 3NW UK t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk Tel: 020 7359 6477 International: +44 20 7359 6477 ****************************************** 'Map History / History of Cartography: THE Gateway to the Subject' http://www.maphistory.info/ [NB. New address August 2003] _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY19Yy6CzIEk7YzTZDS/n9i2KgSC6JgI0FsOqGPLkoWf3OvbyMJMUCB+ZonhtmqE7I= X-Sender: sanderva@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 13:21:20 -0500 To: From: Washington Map Society Subject: [MapHist] 25th Anniversary Symposium and Celebration - Invitation to Participate X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear subscriber to MapHist,
 
For 25 years the Washington Map Society, now with 350 members and subscribers throughout the USA and in eleven foreign countries, has supported and promoted map collecting, cartography, and cartographic history.

The Washington Map Society is planning several days of events in May to celebrate its 25th Anniversary.  After an opening reception on a Thursday May 20, there will be a full day Friday May 21 with a symposium with renowned speakers and visits within the Library of Congress.  Friday evening ends with our 25th Annual Dinner, this year at the Washington offices of The World Bank. On Saturday May 22 noted map researcher Dr. Ronald Grim will lead a tour to colonial sites in the Washington area.  The Anniversary Symposium and Celebration promises to be very special.

Members and non-members alike are invited to join in this celebration.  Registration is important, and we ask for responses by April 23.
 
Full information pertinent to the event is available by visiting the event web site http://home.earthlink.net/~docktor/wms-25.htm.  At that site can be found the full program, dinner and accommodations information, a downloadable registration form, and sponsorship opportunities.  The site is constantly being updated. so please visit it often.
 
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Regards,

Thomas Sander
Communications Committee
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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Dyallen2@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 08:35:11 EST Subject: [MapHist] New Online Journal dealing with maps To: maphist@geog.uu.nl, maps-l@listserv.uga.edu X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 104 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl The Map and Geography Round Table (MAGERT) of the American Library Association is planning an online serial publication. The new serial was authorized in January, and we plan to begin publication this summer. Tentatively called "Cartographic Contributions," it will focus on map librarianship, GIS, history of cartography, maps on the Internet, cartobibliography, and other subjects relating to maps. It is intended to be international and interdisciplinary in scope. It will be an irregular "open access" publication. There will be no charge to authors, and articles will be available without subscription to anyone on the Internet. Contributions will be peer-reviewed. Articles that take advantage of such capabilities of the Internet as color images and hyperlinks are particularly encouraged. Because we are still establishing our policies and recruiting our board of editors, the web page describing the new publication is not yet being made public. Anyone interested in publishing an article in the new journal or serving on the editorial board should contact me directly. David Allen Editor, Cartographic Contributions dyallen2@aol.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 08:09:48 -0600 From: Angie Cope Organization: American Geographical Society Library User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] New Online Journal dealing with maps X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Mr. Allen, I am interested in serving on your editorial board for this new online journal. I am a map librarian at the American Geographical Society Library in Milwaukee. I have a BS in Geography and Spanish, an MS in Resource Planning and an MLIS (Library Science). I've worked as a cataloger at the AGSL for 2 years and I also provide reference and outreach services for my organization. I've published some articles and book reviews over the last 2 years and I'm looking for ways to be involved with MAGERT. This is a great opportunity. Please tell me what you'd like to know about me, my credentials, my ability to edit for this online journal and I will share that with you as soon as possible. Thank you for your consideration. Angie -- ************************************************** Angie Cope, Cartographic Materials Catalog Librarian American Geographical Society Library UW Milwaukee Libraries 2311 E. Hartford Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53211 http://www.uwm.edu/Libraries/AGSL/index.html acope@uwm.edu (414) 229-6282 (800) 558-8993 (toll free) (414) 229-3624 (fax) ************************************************** Dyallen2@aol.com wrote: > The Map and Geography Round Table (MAGERT) of the American Library >Association is planning an online serial publication. > > The new serial was authorized in January, and we plan to begin >publication this summer. Tentatively called "Cartographic Contributions," it will focus >on map librarianship, GIS, history of cartography, maps on the Internet, >cartobibliography, and other subjects relating to maps. It is intended to be >international and interdisciplinary in scope. > > It will be an irregular "open access" publication. There will be no >charge to authors, and articles will be available without subscription to anyone >on the Internet. Contributions will be peer-reviewed. Articles that take >advantage of such capabilities of the Internet as color images and hyperlinks are >particularly encouraged. > > Because we are still establishing our policies and recruiting our board >of editors, the web page describing the new publication is not yet being made >public. Anyone interested in publishing an article in the new journal or >serving on the editorial board should contact me directly. > >David Allen >Editor, Cartographic Contributions >dyallen2@aol.com >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-McAfeeVS-TimeoutProtection: 0 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 08:22:17 -0600 From: Angie Cope Organization: American Geographical Society Library User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [Fwd: Re: [MapHist] New Online Journal dealing with maps] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl My apologies for replying to the whole list!!

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Dear Mr. Allen,

I am interested in serving on your editorial board for this new online journal. I am a map librarian at the American Geographical Society Library in Milwaukee. I have a BS in Geography and Spanish, an MS in Resource Planning and an MLIS (Library Science). I've worked as a cataloger at the AGSL for 2 years and I also provide reference and outreach services for my organization. I've published some articles and book reviews over the last 2 years and I'm looking for ways to be involved with MAGERT. This is a great opportunity.

Please tell me what you'd like to know about me, my credentials, my ability to edit for this online journal and I will share that with you as soon as possible.

Thank you for your consideration.

Angie

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Angie Cope, Cartographic Materials Catalog Librarian American Geographical Society Library
UW Milwaukee Libraries
2311 E. Hartford
Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53211

http://www.uwm.edu/Libraries/AGSL/index.html acope@uwm.edu (414) 229-6282
(800) 558-8993 (toll free)
(414) 229-3624 (fax) 

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Dyallen2@aol.com wrote:

>     The Map and Geography Round Table (MAGERT) of the American Library >Association is planning an online serial publication.
>
>    The new serial was authorized in January, and we plan to begin >publication this summer.  Tentatively called "Cartographic Contributions," it will focus >on map librarianship, GIS, history of cartography, maps on the Internet, >cartobibliography, and other subjects relating to maps.  It is intended to be >international and interdisciplinary in scope.
>
>    It will be an irregular "open access" publication.  There will be no >charge to authors, and articles will be available without subscription to anyone >on the Internet. Contributions will be peer-reviewed.  Articles that take >advantage of such capabilities of the Internet as color images and hyperlinks are >particularly encouraged.
>
>    Because we are still establishing our policies and recruiting our board >of editors, the web page describing the new publication is not yet being made >public.  Anyone interested in publishing an article in the new journal or >serving on the editorial board should contact me directly.
>
>David Allen
>Editor, Cartographic Contributions
>dyallen2@aol.com >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht.
>The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author.
>List Information: http://www.maphist.info >  
>


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UW Milwaukee Libraries
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Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53211

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(800) 558-8993 (toll free)
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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 07:17:35 -0800 From: "Duane F. Marble" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax; CDonDemand-Dom) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Digital book from the University of California X-Spam-Rating: mail.oregonfast.net 0/1/N X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl The University of California has a number of books and documents on-line in digital form. Many are restricted to the use of UC faculty, staff and students; others are available to the public. Among the latter is the following item: A Buccaneer's Atlas: Basil Ringrose's South Sea Waggoner — Derek Howse and Norman J. W. Thrower, editors On July 29, 1681, a band of English buccaneers that had been terrorizing Spanish possessions on the west coast of the Americas captured a Spanish ship, from which they obtained a derrotero, or book of charts and sailing directions. When they arrived back in England, the Spanish ambassador demanded that the buccaneers be brought to trial. The derrotero was ordered to be brought to King Charles II, who apparently appreciated its great intelligence value. The buccaneers were acquitted, to the chagrin of the king of Spain, who had the English ambassador expelled from the court at Madrid on a seemingly trumped-up charge.The derrotero was subsequently translated, and one of the buccaneers, Basil Ringrose, added a text to the compilation and information to the Spanish charts. The resulting atlas, consisting of 106 pages of charts and 106 pages of text, is published in full for the first time in this volume. Covering the coast from California to Tierra del Fuego, the Galapagos, and Juan Fernandes, Basil Ringrose's south sea waggoner is a rich source of geographical information, with observations on navigational, physical, biological, and cultural features as well as on ethnography, customs, and folklore.After almost exactly three hundred years, this secret atlas is now made available to libraries and individuals. The editors have provided an extensive introduction on historical, geographical, and navigational aspects of the atlas, as well as annotations to the charts and text, and they have plotted the coverage of the charts on modern map bases. Publication Date: 6/29/1992 The URL for the site is: http://escholarship.cdlib.org/ -- Dr. Duane F. Marble Email: marble.1@osu.edu 2226 Primrose Lane Telephone: (541) 902-8837 Florence, OR 97439 Cell: (541) 991-1730 "The collective noun for anecdotes is not 'data." _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:01:55 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: RE: [MapHist] Digital book from the University of California X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from ["Gillian Hutchinson" ] Duane might have added that Ringrose's Waggoner is in the collection of = the National Maritime Museum at Greenwich. List members might be = interested to know that Ringrose's charts and those from William Hack's = Wagoner of the South Sea have recently been digitised (in colour of = course) and will be added soon to the Charts Online feature of NMM's = website. http://www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/ Gillian Hutchinson Curator of the History of Cartography National Maritime Museum Greenwich London SE10 9NF -----Original Message----- From: Duane F. Marble [mailto:marble.1@osu.edu] Sent: 09 March 2004 15:18 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Digital book from the University of California The University of California has a number of books and documents on-line = in digital form. Many are restricted to the use of UC faculty, staff and students; others = are available to the public. Among the latter is the following item: A Buccaneer's Atlas: Basil Ringrose's South Sea Waggoner=20 =97 Derek Howse and Norman = J.=20 W. Thrower, editors On July 29, 1681, a band of English buccaneers that had been terrorizing = Spanish possessions on the west coast of the Americas captured a Spanish = ship, from which they obtained a derrotero, or book of charts and=20 sailing directions. When they arrived back in England, the Spanish=20 ambassador demanded that the buccaneers be brought to trial. The=20 derrotero was ordered to be brought to King Charles II, who apparently=20 appreciated its great intelligence value. The buccaneers were acquitted, = to the chagrin of the king of Spain, who had the English ambassador=20 expelled from the court at Madrid on a seemingly trumped-up charge.The=20 derrotero was subsequently translated, and one of the buccaneers, Basil=20 Ringrose, added a text to the compilation and information to the Spanish = charts. The resulting atlas, consisting of 106 pages of charts and 106=20 pages of text, is published in full for the first time in this volume.=20 Covering the coast from California to Tierra del Fuego, the Galapagos,=20 and Juan Fernandes, Basil Ringrose's south sea waggoner is a rich source = of geographical information, with observations on navigational,=20 physical, biological, and cultural features as well as on ethnography,=20 customs, and folklore.After almost exactly three hundred years, this=20 secret atlas is now made available to libraries and individuals. The=20 editors have provided an extensive introduction on historical,=20 geographical, and navigational aspects of the atlas, as well as=20 annotations to the charts and text, and they have plotted the coverage=20 of the charts on modern map bases. Publication Date: 6/29/1992 The URL for the site is: http://escholarship.cdlib.org/ --=20 Dr. Duane F. Marble Email: marble.1@osu.edu 2226 Primrose Lane Telephone: (541) 902-8837 Florence, OR 97439 Cell: (541) 991-1730 "The collective noun for anecdotes is not 'data." _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email=20 ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] Map in a movie Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:44:11 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
   While channel hopping, I stumbled onto Craig T. Nelson wearing a map T-shirt.  I am pretty sure it is the one sold under the del Sol label using Sun-Max Technology to creat an image which changes color when exposed to sunlight (or a reasonable facsimile thereof).  The map looked like Hondius's Nova Totivs Terrarvm Orbis Geographica ac Hydrographica Tabvla.  The movie was "Lies Boys Tell" starring Kirk Douglas.
 
         JBP
 
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Al Magary" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Map in a movie Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:17:05 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
This is probably OT but adds to this thread.  The magnificent production of Lord of the Rings did *not* spend enough time on the map of Middle Earth.  By and large, I think the audience would have appreciated more exposition.  Eg, some knowledgable person like Gandalf takes a Hobbit in hand (this is why Hobbits are around) and says, Look, Pippin, here is Middle Earth, here is where we are, here is where we are going, it's about X miles, this is where the men live, etc.  I had read the books long ago and often looked at the map, but watching the movies in a confused state. Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World also did not do its map business very well.  Many movies that have some geographical element have done it a lot better--eg, in the first Indiana Jones adventure by showing a parchment map with a moving dotted line indicating the line of travel.
 
Cheers,
Al Magary
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: john@woram.com@mail.woram.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:35:47 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: John Woram Subject: Re: [MapHist] Map in a movie X-RBL-Warning: SORBS-DUHL: Dynamic IP Address See: http://www.dnsbl.sorbs.net/cgi-bin/lookup?IP=24.185.213.143 X-Declude-Sender: john@woram.com [24.185.213.143] X-Spam-Tests-Failed: SORBS-DUHL [-4] X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl >Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World also did not do its map >business very well. To say the least! First, the captain uses a magnifying glass to study something that would be better seen by the naked eye. Then he pulls out a ca. 1720 Galápagos chart that was hopelessly obsolete, even in those days--quaint, but useless as a navigation aid. And then they land and the doctor catches an iguana that doesn't exist in Galápagos. --- This E-mail was scanned for viruses by WebHouse, Inc. http://www.webhse.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Maps and fantasy books Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:43:12 +1300 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Maps and fantasy books Thread-Index: AcQG3PTplOdY7eLgQ9+T/thzSaxbFQAAF12g From: "John Robson" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

Further to Lord of the Rings and maps

 

Russell Kirkpatrick, a New Zealand cartographer, has just had published a fantasy novel

called “Across the face of the world”. At the recent New Zealand Map Society – Australian

Map Circle joint conference, Russell spoke on the use of maps in books, citing “Wind in

the Willows”, “Swallows and Amazons”. “Lord of the Rings” and many other titles.

 

About his own book he jokingly said he had spent about 15 years creating the maps and the

locations for his book and a couple of years writing the text.

 

Are you aware that a valley three hours drive to the northeast of Alice Springs in central

Australia has been renamed Mordor? It is supposed to resemble the valley as depicted

on Tolkien’s map. I spent three months in 1970 carrying out a geological survey however

and did not see one hobbit!

 

John Robson

Map Librarian

University of Waikato

 

 

This is probably OT but adds to this thread.  The magnificent production of Lord of the Rings did *not* spend enough time on the map of Middle Earth.  By and large, I think the audience would have appreciated more exposition.  Eg, some knowledgable person like Gandalf takes a Hobbit in hand (this is why Hobbits are around) and says, Look, Pippin, here is Middle Earth, here is where we are, here is where we are going, it's about X miles, this is where the men live, etc.  I had read the books long ago and often looked at the map, but watching the movies in a confused state. Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World also did not do its map business very well.  Many movies that have some geographical element have done it a lot better--eg, in the first Indiana Jones adventure by showing a parchment map with a moving dotted line indicating the line of travel.

 

Cheers,

Al Magary

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:11:19 -0700 (MST) From: Christa Anne Fehrer To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Map collection staffing X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Our library is undergoing a reorganization of services that involves all faculty and staff moving to a central location rather than providing specialist help on individual floors. This change is to include moving faculty, staff, and students in the Documents and Maps Division from Level 1 up to Level 3. We are a Regional Depository with a large map collection (over 1/4 million items, with about 10-15% of those being locked). I am wondering how other map collections are set up--are faculty or staff located with the map collection? Please explain why or why not. I will sincerely appreciate your response. Christa Fehrer Maps Technician Mansfield Library Univ. of Montana Missoula, MT 59812 christa.fehrer@umontana.edu 1-406-243-4564 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 08:38:03 -0500 From: Bert Johnson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Magazine Article on "Mapping Arabia" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl The January/February issue of Saudi Aramco World carries an 18 page article by James Parry entitled "Mapping Arabia." The article is written in a popular, non-academic style. It features high quality full-color reproductions of about a dozen map-makers from Gastaldi to al-Idrisi to the present. The maps are from the Bukhari Collection of Marian Bukhari and the article contains information about this and several other significant map collections or libraries in Saudi Arabia Saudi Aramco World is a bi-monthly publication of the giant petroleum conglomerate Saudi Aramco. It normally features articles on literary or cultural topics in the Muslim world. (I realize this sponsorship may not be to everyone's liking, but the article may be of use or interest to those who collect or reseach this portion of the world.) _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Sinclair Sheers" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Magazine Article on "Mapping Arabia" Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 09:37:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl > The January/February issue of Saudi Aramco World carries an 18 page > article by James Parry entitled "Mapping Arabia." This article and its maps are online at: www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200401/ Sinclair Sheers George Mason University _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:47:19 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] Saudi Aramco World: map article--fyi X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from ["ahudson" ] Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:13:10 -0500 Dear Mapsters, January/February 2004 issue of Saudi Aramco World was just shown to me by one of our docents: James V. Parry Mapping Arabia pp. 20-37, long well illustrated article, looks well worth reading, which I have not done yet!! Alice C. Hudson Chief, Map Division The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library 5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117 New York, NY 10018-278 ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027 http://nypl.org/research/chss/map/map.html The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit. - Nelson Henderson _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:50:29 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] try www.saudiaramcoworld.com X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from ["ahudson" ] Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:15:38 -0500 Mapsters, my apologies, I just realized you can get the thing on the net at the above address! enjoy! Alice C. Hudson Chief, Map Division The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library 5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117 New York, NY 10018-278 ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027 http://nypl.org/research/chss/map/map.html The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit. - Nelson Henderson _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:52:05 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] children's book on early US Coastal mapping X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from ["ahudson" ] Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:54:38 -0500 Dear Mapsters, The Sunday NY Times book review gives this new book a positive review. The Coast Mappers, written and illustrated by Taylor Morrison. 48 pp. Boston: Walter Lorraine Books/Houghton Mifflin Company. $16 (All ages) I suspect this might be a useful survey for map collections to have, despite its youthful pretended audience. We get these juvenile books to have around as models for writers who come in and tell us they want to write a childrens' book on maps. From the review, I get the feeling this book might be a nice complement to more technical histories on the same topic. A second book reviewed positively was Sea Clocks, the story of Longitude by Louise Borden, New York: Margaret K. McElderry books. (ages 7-9) Probably we wont buy this, but some of you may want to know about it! Happy reading. Alice C. Hudson Chief, Map Division The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library 5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117 New York, NY 10018-278 ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027 http://nypl.org/research/chss/map/map.html The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit. - Nelson Henderson Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:53:46 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] Europa by Bormeester Cc: didier.herbert@skynet.be X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from ["didier herbert" ] Subject: non-member submission Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:50:21 +0100 would you have any information about a "Europa" map from Joachim = Bormeester thank you _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:45:20 +0100 X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "From" header. From: Dr.Zsolt Török Organization: Dept.of Cartography, ELTE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Attn. Map Curators X-ELTE-SpamVersion: MailScanner 4.26.8-itk2 (ELTE 1.1) SpamAssassin 2.63 ClamAV 0.65 X-ELTE-VirusStatus: clean X-ELTE-SpamCheck: no X-ELTE-SpamCheck-Details: score=-4.9, required 5.9, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -4.90 X-ELTE-SpamLevel: X-ELTE-SpamScore: -4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Map Curators, ISCEM Meeting on July 16, 2005 - the day before the 21st International Conference on the History of Cartography in Budapest, Hungary! Proposed program: http://lazarus.elte.hu/~zoltorok/ichc/ISCEM_tour.htm Zsolt Torok ICHC 2005 ichc2005@lazarus.elte.hu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Karrow wrote: > > If you are a curator of early maps and wish to be on the "mailing list" > concerning the plans of the International Society of Curators of Early Maps > (ISCEM) to meet for one day before the International Conference on the > History of Cartography in Budapest in July 2005, please contact > me. (Please do not REPLY to this list -- send the message directly to my > e-mail address below). > > Thank you. > > Robert W. Karrow, Jr., Curator of Special Collections and Curator of Maps, > Roger & Julie Baskes Department of Special Collections, The Newberry > Library, 60 W. Walton Street, Chicago, Illinois 60610-7324. Tel: > 312-255-3554. FAX: 312-255-3646. E-Mail: KarrowR@newberry.org > Our Web Page, including catalog of holdings cataloged since 1978: > http://www.newberry.org _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. 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Apologies for cross posting ... our latest digital collection with some maps...



Milwaukee Neighborhoods: A New Digital Collection

The UWM Libraries have recently completed an extensive online digital collection titled "Milwaukee Neighborhoods: Photos and Maps 1885-1992."  The collection presents 638 images of Milwaukee’s neighborhoods from the Far Northwest Side to the Far South Side, providing a visual documentation of the development of the city.

Drawn from the collections of the American Geographical Society Library and the Archives Department at the UWM Libraries, the project includes photographs of residential and industrial facilities, local businesses, historic buildings, churches, and numerous Milwaukee parks, as well as 12 historic maps.  Judith Kenny, UWM associate professor of geography, contributed an article, “Picturing Milwaukee Neighborhoods,” to the site.

Krystyna Matusiak, UWM Libraries Digital Projects Librarian, led the project, and was assisted by members of the Libraries staff and student workers.  The site may be accessed at http://www.uwm.edu/Library/digilib/Milwaukee/index.html.


 
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:16:46 -0600 From: Angie Cope Organization: American Geographical Society Library User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] [Fwd: Rumsey to Present 2004 Holzheimer Lecture in Milwaukee] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl David Rumsey, whose pioneering cartography web site makes historic maps widely available in innovative ways, will present this year's MAPS AND AMERICA Lecture on Tuesday March 30, 2004. "New Uses for Old Maps: How the Internet and GIS are Changing the Face of Historical Cartography," will be presented at 6:00 pm in the American Geographical Society Library, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee (2311 E. Hartford Avenue, Milwaukee, WI). The reception begins at 5:00 pm. Rumsey is the President of Cartography Associates, San Francisco, and Director, Luna Imaging, Los Angeles. The MAPS AND AMERICA lecture series, now in its 15th year, is sponsored by Arthur and Janet Holzheimer and the Friends of the Golda Meir Library, UW-Milwaukee. http://www.uwm.edu/Libraries/AGSL/holzheimerposter2004.html http://www.davidrumsey.com/ ************************************************** This email sent by: Angie Cope on behalf of the American Geographical Society Library UW Milwaukee Libraries 2311 E. Hartford Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53211 http://www.uwm.edu/Libraries/AGSL/index.html (414) 229-6282 (800) 558-8993 (toll free) (414) 229-3624 (fax) ************************************************** _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] Sloppy data Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:52:58 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
   In a moment of self indulgence, I used <www.worldcatlibraries.org>  to check out holdings of Atlas of Fantasy.  I found a rather sloppy job in some cases of bibliographic description so I checked it on <google> and it was bad there as well.  This was a simple case of the publication date being either "Baltimore: Mirage Press, 1973" or "N.Y.: Ballantine, 1979" or "London: Souvenir Press, 1979."  I found all mixtures of that data ("New York: Souvenir, 1973") as well as missspellings of "Ballantine."  If something as trivial as my book can be so badly mangled, one does have to question how accurate bibliographic data in general is on the Internet.  We probably can't expect high standards, but can we expect any standards?  It depends on the site, of course, but I will be even more questioning of material I encounter in my searches.  Yes, and double check print sources. 
 
          JBP
 
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   I unsuccessfully attempted to send an attachment re coastal mapping, but it was rejected as too long.  The website for this report, A Geospatial Framework for the Coastal Zone: National Needs for Mapping and Charting, is http://www.nap.edu which is a larger site, the specific report having to searched.  Either "mapping" or "geospatial" are keywords which work - and which pull up other interesting information as well. 
 
           JBP
 
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Chloe Diegel To: "'maphist@geog.uu.nl'" Subject: [MapHist] Dibblee Geological Maps of California for Sale! Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:25:01 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Greetings! My name is Chloe Diegel and I am the new Dibblee Map Marketing Coordinator at the Santa Barbara Museum of Natural History Dibblee Geology Center. I would like to invite you to read about the amazing collection of both published and unpublished maps we have available through the new Dibblee Geology Center. The goal of the Dibblee Geology Center is to preserve, publish, and distribute Thomas Dibblee, Jr.'s unpublished geologic maps of nearly one fourth of the state of California for their scientific and educational value. So far, a mosaic of 97 full color maps have been published as 1:24:000-scale quadrangles. With Mr. Dibblee's philosophy of creating maps that provide basic field data to the geologic community, these maps are used by engineering geologists, oil companies, planning agencies, US Forest Service, researchers, educators and students, environmental consultants, archaeologists, realtors and developers, and more. On April 6th, we have 10 new maps being released of the Riverside County in Southern California. These maps include San Bernardino, Sunnymead, Redlands, Steele Peak, Perris, El Casco, Beaumont, Lakeview, San Jacinto, Winchester, and Hemet quadrangles. There will be approximately 4 more map releases for the remainder of the year, with more to follow in the coming years. In over 75 years of active fieldwork and mapping, Thomas Wilson Dibblee, Jr. has created a true California legacy for his geologic discoveries, reports, and maps. They provide an unsurpassed regional perspective that contributes a wealth of locally important information. The magnitude, integrity, and permanence of Dibblee's geologic mapping are truly unprecedented and legendary. For more information, please contact me below or visit the our website to order online. Thank you, Chloe Diegel Dibblee Map Marketing Coordinator SBMNH/ Dibblee Geology Center 2559 Puesta del Sol Santa Barbara, CA 93105 Phone: (805) 682-4711 ext. 381 Email: cdiegel@sbnature2.org Visit us Online: www.sbnature.org/estore _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:46:53 -0900 From: Dee Longenbaugh Subject: Re: [MapHist] Staehlin map used by Capt. James Cook X-Sender: deelong@mail.gci.net To: maphist@geog.uu.nl, R.Oddens@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear MapHisters, I've bumped into two differing accounts of the Russian (von Staehlin) map furnished to Capt. Cook for his third voyage. Since the bump has turned into a brick wall, I would heartily appreciate any ideas of where I might find a view other than being at Kew. Thanks in advance, Dee -- The Observatory, ABAA 200 North Franklin Street Juneau, Alaska 99801 907/586-9676 fax 907/586-9606 deelong@alaska.com http://www.observatorybooks.com Since 1977 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Maura O'Connor" To: "'maphist@geog.uu.nl'" Subject: RE: [MapHist] Staehlin map used by Capt. James Cook Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:52:49 +1100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dee You are welcome to check the National Library of Australia's catalogue : www.nla.gov.au , then select catalogue, to see if we hold it. Alternatively if you can provide me with the title/s names, I can do a further check here and if we hold and it is not yet digitised, I can then arrange for that to be done. Yours sincerely Maura O'ConnorMap Curator National Library of Australia Canberra ACT 2600 Phone : 61 2 6262 1280 Fax: 61 2 6161 1653 Email : moconnor@nla.gov.au -----Original Message----- From: Dee Longenbaugh [mailto:deelong@alaska.com] Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2004 2:47 PM To: maphist@geog.uu.nl; R.Oddens@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Staehlin map used by Capt. James Cook Dear MapHisters, I've bumped into two differing accounts of the Russian (von Staehlin) map furnished to Capt. Cook for his third voyage. Since the bump has turned into a brick wall, I would heartily appreciate any ideas of where I might find a view other than being at Kew. Thanks in advance, Dee -- The Observatory, ABAA 200 North Franklin Street Juneau, Alaska 99801 907/586-9676 fax 907/586-9606 deelong@alaska.com http://www.observatorybooks.com Since 1977 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: derekhay@mail.telus.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:18:55 -0800 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Derek Hayes Subject: Re: [MapHist] Staehlin map used by Capt. James Cook X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dee, The British Columbia Archives has a copy of the 1774 book containing the fold-out map cataloged as NW 970P S778. The National Archives of Canada has a 1964 copy of the map only, from an unknown original source, catalogued as NMC 6919. I would be interested to hear more about the two differing accounts. Derek Hayes At 06:46 PM 3/23/2004 -0900, you wrote: >Dear MapHisters, > I've bumped into two differing accounts of the Russian (von > Staehlin) map furnished to Capt. Cook for his third voyage. Since the > bump has turned into a brick wall, I would heartily appreciate any ideas > of where I might find a view other than being at Kew. > Thanks in advance, > Dee >-- > The Observatory, ABAA >200 North Franklin Street >Juneau, Alaska 99801 >907/586-9676 >fax 907/586-9606 >deelong@alaska.com >http://www.observatorybooks.com >Since 1977 >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info Derek Hayes Vancouver, BC Canada derek@derekhayes.ca http://www.derekhayes.ca Phone 604 541 7850 Fax 604 541 7811 Author: Historical Atlas of British Columbia and the Pacific Northwest (1999) Historical Atlas of the Pacific Northwest (US edition, 1999) First Crossing: Alexander Mackenzie, His Expedition Across North America, and the Opening of a Continent (2001) Historical Atlas of the North Pacific Ocean (2001) Historical Atlas of Canada: Canada's History Illustrated with Original Maps (2002) Historical Atlas of the Arctic (2003) Illustrated History of Canada (forthcoming: October 2004) America Discovered: A Historical Atlas of Exploration (forthcoming: October 2004) _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:10:39 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: Re: [MapHist] Staehlin map used by Capt. James Cook X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from [Alexey Postnikov ] Dear Dear and other maphistors, I would like to add to your discussion on the Staehlin (St=E4hlin,=20 Shtelin) map a citation from my book - Postnikov A.V. Russkaya America=20= v geograficheskikh opisaniyakh i na kartakh. 1741-1867 gg. [Russian=20 America in Geographical Descriptions and Maps. 1741-1867].=20 (Saint-Petersburg: =93DMITRIY BULANIN=94, 2000), 472 p., 90 ill. Pages=20= 107-108; reference 102: <> With best regards, Alexey Postnikov. On Wednesday, Mar 24, 2004, at 11:18 Europe/Moscow, Derek Hayes wrote: > Dee, > > The British Columbia Archives has a copy of the 1774 book containing=20= > the fold-out map cataloged as NW 970P S778. > > The National Archives of Canada has a 1964 copy of the map only, from=20= > an unknown original source, catalogued as NMC 6919. > > I would be interested to hear more about the two differing accounts. > > Derek Hayes > > > At 06:46 PM 3/23/2004 -0900, you wrote: >> Dear MapHisters, >> I've bumped into two differing accounts of the Russian (von=20= >> Staehlin) map furnished to Capt. Cook for his third voyage. Since the=20= >> bump has turned into a brick wall, I would heartily appreciate any=20 >> ideas of where I might find a view other than being at Kew. >> Thanks in advance, >> Dee >> -- >> The Observatory, ABAA >> 200 North Franklin Street >> Juneau, Alaska 99801 >> 907/586-9676 >> fax 907/586-9606 >> deelong@alaska.com >> http://www.observatorybooks.com >> Since 1977 >> _______________________________________________________________ >> MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >> hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of = Utrecht. >> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >> the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >> Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility=20= >> for >> the views of the author. >> List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > > Derek Hayes > > Vancouver, BC Canada > > derek@derekhayes.ca > > http://www.derekhayes.ca > > Phone 604 541 7850 > Fax 604 541 7811 > > Author: > Historical Atlas of British Columbia and the Pacific Northwest (1999) > Historical Atlas of the Pacific Northwest (US edition, 1999) > First Crossing: Alexander Mackenzie, His Expedition Across North=20 > America, and the Opening of a Continent (2001) > Historical Atlas of the North Pacific Ocean (2001) > Historical Atlas of Canada: Canada's History Illustrated with Original=20= > Maps (2002) > Historical Atlas of the Arctic (2003) > Illustrated History of Canada (forthcoming: October 2004) > America Discovered: A Historical Atlas of Exploration (forthcoming:=20 > October 2004) > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility = for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > Alexey V. Postnikov (Professor, Doctor of Science) The Honored Scientist of the Russian Federation Corresponding member International Academy of the History of Science (Paris) European Academy of Sciences (Brussels) Deputy Director Russian Academy of Sciences' Institute of the History of Science and Technology 1/5 Staropansky St. Moscow 109012 Russia Phone: (7-095)-925-70-03 (office) Fax: (7-095)-925-99-11 E-mail: apostnik@ihst.ru _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: cobb@pop.fas.harvard.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:10:34 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: David Cobb Subject: Re: [MapHist] Staehlin map used by Capt. James Cook X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Colleagues - There seems to be two 1774 eds. of von Staehlin's work - one in German and one in English published in London. While I do not have the map in front of me Harvard University has copies of each edition as well as 13 other entries related to von Staehlin. David Cobb At 12:18 AM 3/24/2004 -0800, you wrote: >Dee, > >The British Columbia Archives has a copy of the 1774 book containing the >fold-out map cataloged as NW 970P S778. > >The National Archives of Canada has a 1964 copy of the map only, from an >unknown original source, catalogued as NMC 6919. > >I would be interested to hear more about the two differing accounts. > >Derek Hayes > > >At 06:46 PM 3/23/2004 -0900, you wrote: >>Dear MapHisters, >> I've bumped into two differing accounts of the Russian (von >> Staehlin) map furnished to Capt. Cook for his third voyage. Since the >> bump has turned into a brick wall, I would heartily appreciate any ideas >> of where I might find a view other than being at Kew. >> Thanks in advance, >> Dee >>-- >> The Observatory, ABAA >>200 North Franklin Street >>Juneau, Alaska 99801 >>907/586-9676 >>fax 907/586-9606 >>deelong@alaska.com >>http://www.observatorybooks.com >>Since 1977 >>_______________________________________________________________ >>MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >>hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >>The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >>the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >>Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >>the views of the author. >>List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > >Derek Hayes > >Vancouver, BC Canada > >derek@derekhayes.ca > >http://www.derekhayes.ca > >Phone 604 541 7850 >Fax 604 541 7811 > >Author: >Historical Atlas of British Columbia and the Pacific Northwest (1999) >Historical Atlas of the Pacific Northwest (US edition, 1999) >First Crossing: Alexander Mackenzie, His Expedition Across North America, >and the Opening of a Continent (2001) >Historical Atlas of the North Pacific Ocean (2001) >Historical Atlas of Canada: Canada's History Illustrated with Original >Maps (2002) >Historical Atlas of the Arctic (2003) >Illustrated History of Canada (forthcoming: October 2004) >America Discovered: A Historical Atlas of Exploration (forthcoming: >October 2004) > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info *************************************************************************** David A. Cobb Tel. 617.495.2417 Harvard Map Collection FAX 617.496.0440 Harvard College Library Email: cobb@fas.harvard.edu Cambridge, MA 02138 HTTP://hcl.harvard.edu/maps ************************** VERITAS **************************************** _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Paul Hughes" To: Subject: [MapHist] WW Gordon Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:09:15 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Can you please help me with an epoch for WW Gordon. That is, his date-of-birth and date-of-death. Gordon was the Tides Division chief of the United States Coast & Geodetic Survey from April 1851 to April 1853. I would be much obliged if you could help. Regards, Paul Hughes. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:27:17 -0900 From: Dee Longenbaugh Subject: Re: [MapHist] Staehlin map used by Capt. James Cook X-Sender: deelong@mail.gci.net To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Derek, You'll be happy to hear Barbara Belyea wrote suggesting I ask you as she found you very helpful when she was working on Cook on the NW Coast. The problem I have is that I have found two authoritative, contradictory accounts of the von Staehlin map provided to Cook. So, I am seeking the actual chart, if it still exists, or a certified copy. Will let you know if I have success. Thanks for the offer to help. Dee At 12:18 AM -0800 3/24/04, Derek Hayes wrote: >Dee, > >The British Columbia Archives has a copy of the 1774 book containing >the fold-out map cataloged as NW 970P S778. > >The National Archives of Canada has a 1964 copy of the map only, >from an unknown original source, catalogued as NMC 6919. > >I would be interested to hear more about the two differing accounts. > >Derek Hayes > > >At 06:46 PM 3/23/2004 -0900, you wrote: >>Dear MapHisters, >> I've bumped into two differing accounts of the Russian (von >>Staehlin) map furnished to Capt. Cook for his third voyage. Since >>the bump has turned into a brick wall, I would heartily appreciate >>any ideas of where I might find a view other than being at Kew. >> Thanks in advance, >> Dee >>-- >> The Observatory, ABAA >>200 North Franklin Street >>Juneau, Alaska 99801 >>907/586-9676 >>fax 907/586-9606 >>deelong@alaska.com >>http://www.observatorybooks.com >>Since 1977 >>_______________________________________________________________ >>MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >>hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >>The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >>the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >>Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >>the views of the author. >>List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > >Derek Hayes > >Vancouver, BC Canada > >derek@derekhayes.ca > >http://www.derekhayes.ca > >Phone 604 541 7850 >Fax 604 541 7811 > >Author: >Historical Atlas of British Columbia and the Pacific Northwest (1999) >Historical Atlas of the Pacific Northwest (US edition, 1999) >First Crossing: Alexander Mackenzie, His Expedition Across North >America, and the Opening of a Continent (2001) >Historical Atlas of the North Pacific Ocean (2001) >Historical Atlas of Canada: Canada's History Illustrated with >Original Maps (2002) >Historical Atlas of the Arctic (2003) >Illustrated History of Canada (forthcoming: October 2004) >America Discovered: A Historical Atlas of Exploration (forthcoming: >October 2004) > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info -- The Observatory, ABAA 200 North Franklin Street Juneau, Alaska 99801 907/586-9676 fax 907/586-9606 deelong@alaska.com http://www.observatorybooks.com Since 1977 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:50:15 -0900 From: Dee Longenbaugh Subject: Re: [MapHist] Staehlin map used by Capt. James Cook X-Sender: deelong@mail.gci.net To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear All, How very nice to hear from you! Alexey, I must disagree slightly with the amount of information held secret. Most of the promyshlenniki were illiterate, so their harbor charts weren't very good. The only truly secret expedition was that of Krenitsyn/Levashev, which the Crown suppressed. Nor can we let the Imperial Academy off the hook totally. You will recall the protests from the Shmalev brothers in Siberia when they saw the von Staehlin map, and how they were ignored. However, my problem here is that I have found two mutually contradictory descriptions of the von Staehlin chart actually used by Cook. The only way I can think of to resolve this is to look at the chart itself or a certified reprint of it. If it turns out to be the generally accepted interesting, rather crude, and highly erroneous map I will be greatly relieved. But in the meantime, my curiosity is running high. Thanks to everyone who replied. You have all been wonderful. Best Regards, Dee At 12:10 PM +0100 3/24/04, owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist wrote: >Non-member submission from] > > >Dear Dear and other maphistors, > >I would like to add to your discussion on the Staehlin (St=E4hlin,=20 >Shtelin) map a citation from my book - Postnikov A.V. Russkaya America=20= > >v geograficheskikh opisaniyakh i na kartakh. 1741-1867 gg. [Russian=20 >America in Geographical Descriptions and Maps. 1741-1867].=20 >(Saint-Petersburg: =93DMITRIY BULANIN=94, 2000), 472 p., 90 ill. Pages=20= > >107-108; reference 102: > <a=20 >concept of the chart of the Pacific Ocean between Kamchatka and America=20= > >which fully and adequately corresponded to reality. Unfortunately, this=20= > >concept did not find expression on the charts being then published in=20 >Russia for general consumption. The official authorities prohibited=20 >the use of data provided by the secret government expeditions and of=20 >the self-supporting voyages to America, while the promyshlenniki on=20 >their part had a certain interest in keeping secret information about=20 >the lands they were newly mastering. This guaranteed monopolistic use=20 >of fur resources and rapid acquisition of wealth by persons possessing=20= > >geographic information about the Aleutian Islands and Alaska. Even the=20= > >St. Petersburg Imperial Academy of Sciences was in many instances=20 >deprived of the use of exploration materials from the northern part of=20= > >the Pacific Ocean and therefore the maps it published did not=20 >incorporate new information about these regions or, and that was much=20 >worse, because of lack of sufficient information represented these data=20= > >with gross errors and distortions. The most glaring example of such=20 >distorted representation is the Nouvellle Carte des Deccourvertes=20 >faites par vaisseaux aux cotes innconnues de l'Amerique Septentionele=20 >avec les Pais Adjacents... [par Jakob St=E4hlin]. St. Petersburg:=20 >Academie Imperiale des Sciences, 1773 published by Ja. Ia. Shtelin The=20= > >same map in Russian was put into =93Mesiatseslov=94 for the year 1775. = >It=20 >is based on the Academy map of M=FCller-Truskott of 1754-1758 to which=20= > >Shtelin added fragmentary information about later voyages that had=20 >reached him; in the main, these additions were based on the voyages of=20= > >Lieutenant Sindt in the years 1764-1768. >Shtelin pictured the Aleutian Islands as extending to the north-=20 >northeast in such a way that the eastern shore of Bering Strait became=20= > >on his map Island Alashka, while many islands shown in this region,=20 >apparently on the basis of Sindt=92s chart, were arbitrarily assigned=20 >names of some of the distant Aleutian islands (Umnak, Unalashka and=20 >others). Of interest is the fact that this map gives information,=20 >though with an erroneous date (1748 instead of 1648) about the voyage=20 >of Simeon Dezhnev: the tracks are indicated and there is an=20 >inscription: Track followed frequently in ancient voyages, 1748, by=20 >three Russian ships one of which reached even Kamchatka. >On the whole, Shtelin=92s map once more (following the map of=20 >M=FCller-Truskott) created a totally false image of the results of=20 >Russian investigations in the northern part of the Pacific Ocean. Its=20 >negative impact cannot be exaggerated, especially in view of the fact=20 >that the West lacked any other maps. Thus, Shtelin=92s production (which=20= > >was in possession also of Captain Cook ) created very negative opinion=20= > >about Russian geographic explorations.>> > >With best regards, > >Alexey Postnikov. > >On Wednesday, Mar 24, 2004, at 11:18 Europe/Moscow, Derek Hayes wrote: > >> Dee, >> >> The British Columbia Archives has a copy of the 1774 book containing=20= > >> the fold-out map cataloged as NW 970P S778. >> >> The National Archives of Canada has a 1964 copy of the map only, from=20= > >> an unknown original source, catalogued as NMC 6919. >> >> I would be interested to hear more about the two differing accounts. >> >> Derek Hayes >> >> >> At 06:46 PM 3/23/2004 -0900, you wrote: >>> Dear MapHisters, >>> I've bumped into two differing accounts of the Russian (von=20= > >>> Staehlin) map furnished to Capt. Cook for his third voyage. Since the=20= > >>> bump has turned into a brick wall, I would heartily appreciate any=20 >>> ideas of where I might find a view other than being at Kew. >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Dee >>> -- >>> The Observatory, ABAA >>> 200 North Franklin Street >>> Juneau, Alaska 99801 >>> 907/586-9676 >>> fax 907/586-9606 >>> deelong@alaska.com >>> http://www.observatorybooks.com >>> Since 1977 >>> _______________________________________________________________ >>> MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >>> hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of = >Utrecht. >>> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >>> the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >>> Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility=20= > >>> for >>> the views of the author. >>> List Information: http://www.maphist.info >> >> >> Derek Hayes >> >> Vancouver, BC Canada >> >> derek@derekhayes.ca >> >> http://www.derekhayes.ca >> >> Phone 604 541 7850 >> Fax 604 541 7811 >> >> Author: >> Historical Atlas of British Columbia and the Pacific Northwest (1999) >> Historical Atlas of the Pacific Northwest (US edition, 1999) >> First Crossing: Alexander Mackenzie, His Expedition Across North=20 >> America, and the Opening of a Continent (2001) >> Historical Atlas of the North Pacific Ocean (2001) >> Historical Atlas of Canada: Canada's History Illustrated with Original=20= > >> Maps (2002) >> Historical Atlas of the Arctic (2003) >> Illustrated History of Canada (forthcoming: October 2004) >> America Discovered: A Historical Atlas of Exploration (forthcoming:=20 >> October 2004) >> >> _______________________________________________________________ >> MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >> hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >> the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >> Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility = >for >> the views of the author. >> List Information: http://www.maphist.info >> >> >Alexey V. Postnikov (Professor, Doctor of Science) >The Honored Scientist of the Russian Federation >Corresponding member >International Academy of the History of Science (Paris) >European Academy of Sciences (Brussels) >Deputy Director >Russian Academy of Sciences' >Institute of the History of Science and Technology >1/5 Staropansky St. Moscow 109012 >Russia >Phone: (7-095)-925-70-03 (office) >Fax: (7-095)-925-99-11 >E-mail: apostnik@ihst.ru > > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info -- The Observatory, ABAA 200 North Franklin Street Juneau, Alaska 99801 907/586-9676 fax 907/586-9606 deelong@alaska.com http://www.observatorybooks.com Since 1977 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: derekhay@mail.telus.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:04:07 -0800 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Derek Hayes Subject: Re: [MapHist] Staehlin map used by Capt. James Cook X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dee, This is interesting. I thought that Cook would have had the published chart and probably the book too, considering that it was published in English in 1774 and Cook did not sail on his third voyage until July 1776. Why, I would wonder, would there be a need for a ms copy, and why might it show anything different from the published map? Thanks Derek At 01:27 PM 3/24/2004 -0900, you wrote: >Derek, > You'll be happy to hear Barbara Belyea wrote suggesting I ask you > as she found you very helpful when she was working on Cook on the NW Coast. > The problem I have is that I have found two authoritative, > contradictory accounts of the von Staehlin map provided to Cook. So, I am > seeking the actual chart, if it still exists, or a certified copy. > Will let you know if I have success. > Thanks for the offer to help. > Dee > > >At 12:18 AM -0800 3/24/04, Derek Hayes wrote: >>Dee, >> >>The British Columbia Archives has a copy of the 1774 book containing the >>fold-out map cataloged as NW 970P S778. >> >>The National Archives of Canada has a 1964 copy of the map only, from an >>unknown original source, catalogued as NMC 6919. >> >>I would be interested to hear more about the two differing accounts. >> >>Derek Hayes >> >> >>At 06:46 PM 3/23/2004 -0900, you wrote: >>>Dear MapHisters, >>> I've bumped into two differing accounts of the Russian (von >>> Staehlin) map furnished to Capt. Cook for his third voyage. Since the >>> bump has turned into a brick wall, I would heartily appreciate any >>> ideas of where I might find a view other than being at Kew. >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Dee >>>-- >>> The Observatory, ABAA >>>200 North Franklin Street >>>Juneau, Alaska 99801 >>>907/586-9676 >>>fax 907/586-9606 >>>deelong@alaska.com >>>http://www.observatorybooks.com >>>Since 1977 >>>_______________________________________________________________ >>>MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >>>hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >>>The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >>>the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >>>Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >>>the views of the author. >>>List Information: http://www.maphist.info >> >> >>Derek Hayes >> >>Vancouver, BC Canada >> >>derek@derekhayes.ca >> >>http://www.derekhayes.ca >> >>Phone 604 541 7850 >>Fax 604 541 7811 >> >>Author: >>Historical Atlas of British Columbia and the Pacific Northwest (1999) >>Historical Atlas of the Pacific Northwest (US edition, 1999) >>First Crossing: Alexander Mackenzie, His Expedition Across North America, >>and the Opening of a Continent (2001) >>Historical Atlas of the North Pacific Ocean (2001) >>Historical Atlas of Canada: Canada's History Illustrated with Original >>Maps (2002) >>Historical Atlas of the Arctic (2003) >>Illustrated History of Canada (forthcoming: October 2004) >>America Discovered: A Historical Atlas of Exploration (forthcoming: >>October 2004) >> >>_______________________________________________________________ >>MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >>hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >>The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >>the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >>Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >>the views of the author. >>List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > >-- > The Observatory, ABAA >200 North Franklin Street >Juneau, Alaska 99801 >907/586-9676 >fax 907/586-9606 >deelong@alaska.com >http://www.observatorybooks.com >Since 1977 >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info Derek Hayes Vancouver, BC Canada derek@derekhayes.ca http://www.derekhayes.ca Phone 604 541 7850 Fax 604 541 7811 Author: Historical Atlas of British Columbia and the Pacific Northwest (1999) Historical Atlas of the Pacific Northwest (US edition, 1999) First Crossing: Alexander Mackenzie, His Expedition Across North America, and the Opening of a Continent (2001) Historical Atlas of the North Pacific Ocean (2001) Historical Atlas of Canada: Canada's History Illustrated with Original Maps (2002) Historical Atlas of the Arctic (2003) Illustrated History of Canada (forthcoming: October 2004) America Discovered: A Historical Atlas of Exploration (forthcoming: October 2004) _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:31:02 -0900 From: Dee Longenbaugh Subject: Re: [MapHist] Staehlin map used by Capt. James Cook X-Sender: deelong@mail.gci.net To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Derek, IIRC, Cook, while he mentioned John Harris's book, never says anything about the von Stahlin tome; just refers to the lousy map. I don't need the ms. map (I assume Cook had a printed one) but the question is what did the chart show? One source, the usual one, states it came from Sindt (it didn't, as best I can tell), another says it was Muller, and yet another claims it came from Lomonosov. As you know, the map was published under several names, ranging from Russian to French to English. Was it the same map? is the question of the moment. Dee At 3:04 PM -0800 3/24/04, Derek Hayes wrote: >Dee, > >This is interesting. I thought that Cook would have had the >published chart and probably the book too, considering that it was >published in English in 1774 and Cook did not sail on his third >voyage until July 1776. Why, I would wonder, would there be a need >for a ms copy, and why might it show anything different from the >published map? >Thanks >Derek > -- The Observatory, ABAA 200 North Franklin Street Juneau, Alaska 99801 907/586-9676 fax 907/586-9606 deelong@alaska.com http://www.observatorybooks.com Since 1977 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:12:47 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: Re: [MapHist] Staehlin map used by Capt. James Cook X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl At 06:31 PM 3/24/2004, you wrote:
  I don't need the ms. map (I assume Cook had a printed one) but the question is what did the chart show?


I am not sure, but is this the map:

020-0223. Map of the New Northern Archipelago discovered by the Russians. [shows area around Kamchatka Peninsula with west tip of Alaska on right.] From: Staehlin, Jakob von, An Account of the New Northern Archipelago..., 1774.

If so, it is from the Alaska Centennial Collection purchase (i.e. the call number you see),  listed at: <http://www.library.state.ak.us/hist/cent/descriptions.html>.  Dee, I assume you already looked at these collections in Juneau, so pardon my ignorance or misunderstanding, but I thought I'd pass it along just in case.

                                 Joel Kovarsky


X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:58:40 -0700 From: Barbara Belyea X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-FR,fr-CA,fr-CH To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Re: Staehlin map used by Capt. James Cook UCalgary-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact IT Help Desk at (403) 220-5555 for more information X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hi Dee, As Cook & Co were headed up the NW coast, King wrote that "We have Dr Maty's map of the Northern Archipelago constantly in our hands ..." (*Journals of Captain James Cook,* ed. Beaglehole 3: 342). Dr Mathew (one t) Maty, secretary of the Royal Society, had published a letter from Staehlin in the *Philosophical Transactions* vol. 64 (1774). The trail from Staehlin to Cook would seem to be via Maty. It went cold for me but you are better informed about this issue than I am, so you may have more success. Please let us know what you discover! Barbara -- Barbara Belyea Dept of English, University of Calgary Calgary (Alberta) Canada T2N 1N4 tel: 1-403-220-5470 fax: 1-403-289-1123 web: http://www.ucalgary.ca/~belyea/ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Roderick M. Barron" To: "Map Hist List" Cc: Subject: [MapHist] New Website - www.barron.co.uk Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:23:41 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
 
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   Having been officially out of the map field since 1984 (you can take the boy away from the maps, but you can't take the maps away from the boy), I haven't been as up to date on some aspects as I perhaps should be.  Have there been any recent articles on the value of dealer catalogs as reference works?  The best certainly are and even many of the poorer ones have at the least asking prices for items. 
 
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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:17:07 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: List-owner MapHist Subject: Re: [MapHist] Dealer catalogs X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl JB has right, it is in the MapHist guidelines that listing of items for sale is not appropriate on MapHist. I have sent Mr. Barron a message about this. Peter At 15:38 25-3-2004, you wrote: > The recent posting of a dealer website will no doubt anger those who > feel is not the place for such things. I am one of those who > feel a simple announcement, with or without links, is not out of place > and can be of value. Sending lists of specific items for sale is not - > but seeking information on specific items by a dealer is appropriate. > > Having been officially out of the map field since 1984 (you can take > the boy away from the maps, but you can't take the maps away from the > boy), I haven't been as up to date on some aspects as I perhaps should > be. Have there been any recent articles on the value of dealer catalogs > as reference works? The best certainly are and even many of the poorer > ones have at the least asking prices for items. > > JBP > Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-McAfeeVS-TimeoutProtection: 0 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: gestel@pop.geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:08:24 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Paula van Gestel Subject: [MapHist] Von Staehlin X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Collegues

To my knowledge Von Staehlin wrote many historical works. To one of these works he added a map. In 1774 he published: Das von den Russen in den Jahren 1765, 1766, 1767 entdeckte nördliche Inselmeer zwischen Kamtschatka und Nordamerika. Stuttgart, 1774, with a diminished copy of the map of Müller of 1754 to which he added some alterations. During his voyage in 1778 and 1779 to the Bering Straits the famous discoverer Captain James Cook made use of this map as available in an English version by DR. Maty.

Müller published:
VOYAGES | ET | DÉCOUVERTES | Faites par les Russes le long | des côtes de la Mer Glaciale & sur | l'Océan Oriental, tant vers le Japon | que vers l'Amérique. | On y a joint | L'HISTOIRE | DU | FLEUVE AMUR | Et des pays adjacens, depuis la con- | quęte des Russes; avec la Nouvelle Carte qui | présente ces Découvertes & le Cours de l'A- | mur, dressée sur des mémoires authentiques, | publiée par l' Academie des Scienses de St. | Pétersbourg, & corrigée en dernier lieu. | Ouvrages traduits de l'Allemand de | M
r. G. P. MULLER, | Par C. G. F. DUMAS. | [rule] | TOME I. | [rule | [ornament] |
A AMSTERDAM, | Chez MARC-MICHEL REY, | MDCCLXVI.

with map: Nouvelle carte des decouvertes faites par des vaisseaux russiens.......

The English edition of Müller’s account was translated and edited by the English engraver and publisher Thomas Jefferys (1710-1771). It was based on Müllers’ third volume of Sammlung russischer Geschichte, 9 vols. St. Petersburg, 1735-1765, as well as this Dutch edition in French. This account was an invaluable collection of Russian historical sources from earliest times. Jefferys added an copy of Müller’s map in English.

Is this information of any help.

Paula.
I am an editor of Explokart University Utrecht.

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This message is just to remember you all that attachments are not allowed on MapHist for two reasons: (1) viruses are usually sent as attachments and I want to keep the list virus-free (2) in past large attachments have caused trouble for people who have not a fast internet connection. When you want to show the maphist community an illustration, place that illustration on a webpage and give the url. If you don't have possibilities to do this, you may send the attachment to me privately and I can put it on the MapHist illustration page. All information on rules and guidelines for maphist are on the maphist webpage: http://www.maphist.info Peter Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:00:49 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: List-owner MapHist Subject: Re: [MapHist] Von Staehlin X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl [Message from Alexey Postnikov ] Dear Maphistors, Just for the fun of it, please find on the Maphist illustration page ( http://www.maphist.nl/illustr.html ) the real first manuscript version of the Shtelins' map. Yours, Alexey V. Postnikov (Professor, Doctor of Science) The Honored Scientist of the Russian Federation Corresponding member International Academy of the History of Science (Paris) European Academy of Sciences (Brussels) Deputy Director Russian Academy of Sciences' Institute of the History of Science and Technology 1/5 Staropansky St. Moscow 109012 Russia Phone: (7-095)-925-70-03 (office) Fax: (7-095)-925-99-11 E-mail: apostnik@ihst.ru At 17:08 25-3-2004, you wrote: >Dear Collegues > >To my knowledge Von Staehlin wrote many historical works. To one of these >works he added a map. In 1774 he published: Das von den Russen in den >Jahren 1765, 1766, 1767 entdeckte nördliche Inselmeer zwischen Kamtschatka >und Nordamerika. Stuttgart, 1774, with a diminished copy of the map of >Müller of 1754 to which he added some alterations. During his voyage in >1778 and 1779 to the Bering Straits the famous discoverer Captain James >Cook made use of this map as available in an English version by DR. Maty. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: cobb@pop.fas.harvard.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:16:35 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: David Cobb Subject: [MapHist] Fwd: Cartography Conference Puts Dept. of Conferences on the Map X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Colleagues - Kudo's for ICHC 2003 continue to roll in! For those of you that attended I'm sure that you will share in the congratulations that are well deserved for the Univ. of Southern Maine's Dept. of Conferences. For those of you whom did not attend you did miss an excellently organized conference and most of the credit goes to the Dept. of Conferences. David Cobb >From: "Elizabeth Morin" > > >Hi all > >I am just back from a national conference and could not wait to share our >good news with all of you. > >The University of Southern Maine's Department of Conferences has won the >very prestigious Outstanding Institutional Achievement Award for 2003 for >the work we did on the ICHC 2003 Conference. This award is from the >Association for Collegiate Conference and Event Directors International >"recognizes a significant achievement by an institution in the conference >and events field. It may be based upon a single program or event, or a >more long-term development, which represents an outstanding milestone in >conference and events a management." > >A complete description of the ICHC 2003 conference was submitted along >with pictures, our wine and beer labels and examples of the poster and >tote bag. We had some major competition and the field was narrowed done >to three finalists * the University of Iowa, UCLA and USM. This year, the >ACCED - I annual conference was held in Vancouver, BC and USM's win was >announced at the formal banquet on Monday night. We were very excited and >pleased. It is considered a major achievement in our industry. > >The judges specifically cited the registration service, housing bureau and >the daunting logistical details needed to plan an event in two locations >as reasons USM won the award. > >The award itself is beautiful * it looks more like a modern, marble >sculpture than a trophy. I plan to put a picture of it on our website and >certainly we will feature it in a display case in our new building. > >I know I have told all of you what a pleasure it was to work on this >conference. We loved that it was so complicated * it gave us new >challenges and a chance to be creative. So often, the conferences we >work on are very typical so when something like ICHC 2003 comes along we >are pleased. As an added bonus, we so enjoyed meeting the wonderful >people from all over the world. They were warm and friendly and some >still keep in touch via email! > >Winning this award puts the cherry on the cake! > >Thanks again to all of you for giving us the opportunity, > >Liz > >Elizabeth A.Morin >Director >Dept. of Conferences >207-780-5960 phone >207-780-5963 fax *************************************************************************** David A. Cobb Tel. 617.495.2417 Harvard Map Collection FAX 617.496.0440 Harvard College Library Email: cobb@fas.harvard.edu Cambridge, MA 02138 HTTP://hcl.harvard.edu/maps ************************** VERITAS **************************************** _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] Cartographical curiosity Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:58:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0
   In Ivars Peterson's The Mathematical Tourist: new and updated snapshots of modern mathematics (Freeman, 1998) on p.1 is a 8.9 x 8.3 cm. map of "Mathland" by T. Durfee.  This is sent just in case those who collect such things might have missed it.
 
         JBP
 
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:15:32 -0500 From: overlee User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Author Quest X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [141.154.150.210] at Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:14:22 -0600 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 Does anyone know the name of the author who wrote the entry, MAP, for the Eleventh Edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica?  Martin Torodash
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:54:55 +0200 X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "From" header. From: "Dr.Zsolt Török" Organization: Dept.of Cartography, ELTE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Fwd: Cartography Conference Puts Dept. of Conferences on theMap X-ELTE-SpamVersion: MailScanner 4.26.8-itk2 (ELTE 1.1) SpamAssassin 2.63 ClamAV 0.65 X-ELTE-VirusStatus: clean X-ELTE-SpamCheck: no X-ELTE-SpamCheck-Details: score=-4.9, required 5.9, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -4.90 X-ELTE-SpamLevel: X-ELTE-SpamScore: -4 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 Dear MapHisters, I join participants of the ICHC 2003 and share in the congratulations that are well deserved for the Department of Conferences, University of Southern Maine. Prior to the conference days I was their apprentice for a few days in Portland. Thank you Liz and her staff, as well as the Osher Library for the opportunity! What I learned there you can all see - if you attend ICHC 2005 in Budapest! Zsolt Torok ICHC 2005 Director http://lazarus.elte.hu/~zoltorok/ichc2005.htm :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: David Cobb wrote: > > Dear Colleagues - > > Kudo's for ICHC 2003 continue to roll in! For those of you that attended > I'm sure that you will share in the congratulations that are well deserved > for the Univ. of Southern Maine's Dept. of Conferences. For those of you > whom did not attend you did miss an excellently organized conference and > most of the credit goes to the Dept. of Conferences. > > David Cobb _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Author Quest Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:12:01 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0

Martin:

 

If you mean the author of pp.629-653 inclusive (i.e. up to, and including, sections 'History of cartography' and 'Topographical Surveys'), these are signed by "E.G.R." who is identified in this volume 17's 'Initials used  . . . to identify individual contributors, with the headings of the articles . . . so signed" as Ernest George Ravenstein.  The 'Topographical Surveys' section need not be queried, as EGR regularly contributed reports on such contemporary progress in the periodical 'Ocean Highways' (subsequently the 'Geographical Magazine' - the second of that title) from the mid-1870s. 

 

Francis Herbert

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http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives']

 

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Does anyone know the name of the author who wrote the entry, MAP, for the Eleventh Edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica?  Martin Torodash

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: bmccork@pop.ku.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:16:30 -0600 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Barbara McCorkle Subject: Re: [MapHist] Author Quest X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=5.0 Martin: The article is signed with two names, C.F.Cl and A.R.C. The list of contributors identifies the first as Charles Close, and the second as Col. Alexander Clarke. Barbara At 09:15 PM 3/29/2004 -0500, you wrote: > Does anyone know the name of the author who wrote the entry, MAP, >Martin Torodash > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: bmccork@pop.ku.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:26:45 -0600 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Barbara McCorkle Subject: RE: [MapHist] Author Quest X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=5.0 Francis: I am fortunate enough to have inherited a set of the 11th edition of the Encyclopedia, so I respectfully disagree with your posting to Martin. The authors of the article apparently changed between the 11th and 17th editions. Barbara At 11:12 AM 3/30/2004 +0100, you wrote: > Martin: . . . to identify individual contributors, with the >headings of the articles . . . so signed" as Ernest George The >'Topographical Surveys' section need not be queried, as EGR regularly >contributed reports on such contemporary progress in the periodical 'Ocean >Highways' (subsequently the 'Geographical Magazine Francis Herbert >f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the >Archives'] -----Original Message----- > From: overlee [mailto:overlee@verizon.net] > Sent: 30 March 2004 03:16 > To: maphist@geog.uu.nl > Subject: [MapHist] Author Quest Does anyone know the name of the >author who wrote the entry, MAP, Martin Torodash _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:47:21 +0200 From: Wolfgang Lierz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: de-ch, de-de, de-at, de, en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Author Quest X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=5.0 Dear all, Sorry, but Francis is right: F.Herbert@RGS.org wrote: > If you mean the author of pp.629-653 inclusive (i.e. up to, and THIS part of the article ! > including, sections 'History of cartography' and 'Topographical > Surveys'), these are signed by "E.G.R." who is identified in this volume > 17's 'Initials used . . . to identify individual contributors, with the > headings of the articles . . . so signed" as Ernest George Ravenstein. Barbara McCorkle wrote: > Martin: The article is signed with two names, C.F.Cl and A.R.C. The No. The END of the article, namely the part on "map projections" on p. 663 is signed such. Barbara McCorkle wrote: > Francis: I am fortunate enough to have inherited a set of the 11th edition > of the Encyclopedia, so I respectfully disagree with your posting to > Martin. The authors of the article apparently changed between the 11th and > 17th editions. > Barbara best regards -- Wolfgang Lierz lierz@library.ethz.ch IT Services IT-Dienste ETH - Bibliothek Tel. +41-1-632-2180 Raemistrasse 101 Fax: +41-1-632-1414 CH-8092 Zuerich Mobil: +41-79-2050765 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Author Quest Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:49:03 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0 Dear Barbara, There is, I submit, no need to disagree: the simple fact is that Messrs Close and Clarke were responsible - and therefore separately signed - the *final* section only of the 'Map' article entitled 'Map projections' (pp.653-663). On the presumption that he would be more interested in the two preceding sections, to which I drew specific attention, I supplied what Martin asked for: the author of the article in the *11th* edition only! I am quite aware that the authors for this article changed as successive editions were issued; a common occurrence in other encyclopaedias, too. Francis f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives'] -----Original Message----- From: Barbara McCorkle [mailto:bmccork@ku.edu] Sent: 30 March 2004 17:27 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Author Quest Francis: I am fortunate enough to have inherited a set of the 11th edition of the Encyclopedia, so I respectfully disagree with your posting to Martin. The authors of the article apparently changed between the 11th and 17th editions. Barbara At 11:12 AM 3/30/2004 +0100, you wrote: > Martin: . . . to identify individual contributors, with the >headings of the articles . . . so signed" as Ernest George The >'Topographical Surveys' section need not be queried, as EGR regularly >contributed reports on such contemporary progress in the periodical 'Ocean >Highways' (subsequently the 'Geographical Magazine Francis Herbert >f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the >Archives'] -----Original Message----- > From: overlee [mailto:overlee@verizon.net] > Sent: 30 March 2004 03:16 > To: maphist@geog.uu.nl > Subject: [MapHist] Author Quest Does anyone know the name of the >author who wrote the entry, MAP, Martin Torodash _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:51:03 +0200 From: Wolfgang Lierz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: de-ch, de-de, de-at, de, en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Map article on Encyclopaedia Britannica X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 Dear all, with respect to the discussion on the MAP article in E.B.1911, I am glad to direct you to a recent article of me (in German) on the subject of the MAPS within E.B. 1911: http://www.stub.unibe.ch/dach/ch/ch/summaries/e29c.html Best regards -- Wolfgang Lierz lierz@library.ethz.ch IT Services IT-Dienste ETH - Bibliothek Tel. +41-1-632-2180 Raemistrasse 101 Fax: +41-1-632-1414 CH-8092 Zuerich Mobil: +41-79-2050765 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:21:20 -0500 From: overlee User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Author Quest X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [151.203.179.140] at Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:20:11 -0600 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 Both Francis and Barbara are correct.  My disbound pages, 629-663 contain Ravenstein's initials at the conclusion of the paragraphs on "Topographical Surveys" and the other two sets of initials on page 663 at the conclusion of the paragraphs on "Map Projections."  My thanks to both.  Martin

Barbara McCorkle wrote:
Francis: I am fortunate enough to have inherited a set of the 11th edition of the Encyclopedia, so I respectfully disagree with your posting to Martin.  The authors of the article apparently changed between the 11th and 17th editions.
    Barbara

At 11:12 AM 3/30/2004 +0100, you wrote:
  
        Martin:       . . . to identify individual contributors, with the headings of the articles . . . so signed" as Ernest George  The 'Topographical Surveys' section need not be queried, as EGR regularly contributed reports on such contemporary progress in the periodical 'Ocean Highways' (subsequently the 'Geographical Magazine       Francis Herbert f.herbert@rgs.org  http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'/'Unlocking the Archives']     -----Original Message----- From: overlee [mailto:overlee@verizon.net] Sent: 30 March 2004 03:16
To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Author Quest     Does anyone know the name of the author who wrote the entry, MAP,   Martin Torodash       
    

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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:13:11 -0500 (EST) From: TIMOTHY P UTTER X-X-Sender: tutter@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] View of Nineveh X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 I need help identifying a view of Nineveh. It is titled, "Ninive. De Grote Stadt Gods van drie Dagh-reisen. Jon. 2:3", "265" in upper right corner. Title is in upper left corner on banner held by 2 cherubs. It is a view from a hill above the city. It is in the inside front cover of "Ancient Mesopotamia", by A. Leo Oppenheim, 1964, University of Chicago Press. There is no citation in the book itself. I have checked "Kaarten in Bijbels", by Poortman. Our "Maps in Bibles" by Catherine Delano Smith is checked-out so I haven't been able to check that one. Might it be from "La Galerie Agreable du Monde", v. 51 no. 2, by van der Aa. That is the only citation I find in Koeman. Since I am working with a copy I am not sure what the original size is. Image can be provided if necessary. Thanks much for any assistance. Tim Utter Map Library 825 Hatcher Library University of Michigan 920 N. University Ave. Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1205 (734) 764-0407 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Rodney Shirley" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] View of Nineveh Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:39:37 +0100 Organization: UUNET X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 To Timothy Putter (et al) Three possible sources (none for certain) are (1) K G Saur's 'Parvum Theatrum Urbium', Frankfurt-am-Main 1593 and 1595--this seems to be a small untitled bird's-eye view; (2) Olvert Dapper's `Naukeurige Beschryving van Asie', Amsterdam, 1680, with a larger view titled 'De Stadt Ninive'; also a later edition from Nuremberg with similar title, this time engraved by J A Baener; (3) Carsten Niebuhr's 'Voyage en Arabie', Amsterdam & Utrecht, 1776-80 with title 'Vue du village Nunia ou Ninive'. A small view-print. You could also look in the Niebuhr's 1772 Copenhagen edition which had German text tho' I'm unsure whether a titled view of Nineveh appeared or not. Regards Rodney Shirley rws@dial.pipex.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "TIMOTHY P UTTER" To: Sent: 30 March 2004 22:13 Subject: [MapHist] View of Nineveh > I need help identifying a view of Nineveh. It is titled, "Ninive. > De Grote Stadt Gods van drie Dagh-reisen. Jon. 2:3", "265" in upper right > corner. Title is in upper left corner on banner held by 2 cherubs. It is a > view from a hill above the city. It is in the inside front cover of > "Ancient Mesopotamia", by A. Leo Oppenheim, 1964, University of Chicago > Press. There is no citation in the book itself. > I have checked "Kaarten in Bijbels", by Poortman. Our "Maps in > Bibles" by Catherine Delano Smith is checked-out so I haven't been able to > check that one. Might it be from "La Galerie Agreable du Monde", v. 51 no. > 2, by van der Aa. That is the only citation I find in Koeman. Since I am > working with a copy I am not sure what the original size is. Image can be > provided if necessary. Thanks much for any assistance. > > Tim Utter > Map Library > 825 Hatcher Library > University of Michigan > 920 N. University Ave. > Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1205 > (734) 764-0407 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geographical Sciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info