X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: docktor@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:12:37 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl, lis-maps@jiscmail.ac.uk From: "John W. Docktor" Subject: Re: [MapHist] 'Mapping the World' - Welsh TV series X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl >CHARTING THE COURSE OF HISTORY > >An ambitious new S4C series, Mapio'r Byd (Mapping the World), looks at how >navigators, explorers, spies, traitors and thieves created maps, documents >that changed the world. This series appeared in the United States on the History Channel last September. It was very good. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John W. Docktor Phone: 717-846-8997 Fax: 717-845-9337 Cartography - Calendars of Events & Exhibitions: http://www.docktor.com/ Washington Map Society: http://www.washmap.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: docktor@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:36:37 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl, lis-maps@jiscmail.ac.uk From: "John W. Docktor" Subject: [MapHist] Diary of Events X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl The next issue of _MapForum_ will soon be going to the printer. If you know of a cartographic meeting or exhibit that is not currently listed on www.docktor.com and you want it to appear in the next issue of _MapForum_, please e-mail the information to me by 4 March.

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The next issue of _MapForum_ will soon be going to the printer. If you know of a cartographic meeting or exhibit that is not currently listed on www.docktor.com and you want it to appear in the next issue of _MapForum_, please e-mail the information to me by 4 March.

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April 5, 2005

'Sacred Places on Maps' exhibition focuses on the mapping of sacred places and spaces. Maps, globes and illustrated books of the collections of the Benedictine Archabbey of Pannonhalma, Hungary and the Benedictine Abbey Schottenstift, Vienna, Austria will be on display in the new exhibition space at Pannonhalma, a Cultural World Heritage site. The extended illustrated  exhibition catalogue, edited by the curator, Zsolt Török contains introductory and exploratory essays written by Catherine Delano-Smith, Paul Harvey, Ron Hassner, Alessandro Scafi and Zsolt Török. The visit of the special exhibition is in the program of the 21st International Conference on the History of Cartography's Blue Danube post conference tour.
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Dr. Zsolt Török, ICHC 2005 Co-ordinator
ichc2005@lazarus.elte.hu
http://lazarus.elte.hu/~zoltorok/ichc2005.htm

Department of Cartography and Geoinformatics, Eötvös Loránd University
H-1117 Budapest, Pázmány Péter sétány 1/A
Hungary, European Union
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From: "John W. Docktor" <docktor@earthlink.net>
To: maphist@geog.uu.nl, lis-maps@jiscmail.ac.uk
Sent: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:36:37 -0500
Subject: [MapHist] Diary of Events

> The next issue of _MapForum_ will soon be going to the printer. If you know of a cartographic meeting or exhibit that is not currently listed on www.docktor.com and you want it to appear in the next issue of _MapForum_, please e-mail the information to me by 4 March.
>
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> John W. Docktor
> Phone: 717-846-8997         Fax: 717-845-9337
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> Cartography - Calendars of Events & Exhibitions: http://www.docktor.com/
> Washington Map Society:
http://www.washmap.org/
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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Cc: John_Power@link.freedom.com From: Rand and Patricia Burnette Subject: [MapHist] Lecture in Jacksonville, IL Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:51:01 -0600 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I don't know if anyone is close enough to Jacksonville, IL (35 miles west of Springfield by way of I-72) to attend this program, but I thought I would post the following lecture: John Power, publisher of the Jacksonville Journal-Courier, will present a lecture on "Early Maps of Western Illinois" for the Morgan County Historical Society on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 7 p.m. central time at the Strawn Art Gallery 331 W. College Avenue, Jacksonville, IL. The program is free of charge and all are welcome. John has been collecting maps of early Illinois for many years and his collection will be available for viewing at the lecture. If there are any questions, please feel free to contact me at burnette@mchsi.com Submitted by Rand Burnette, Professor Emeritus at MacMurray College and registered agent for the Morgan County (IL) Historical Society _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [24.188.202.15] X-Originating-Email: [gastaldo@msn.com] X-Sender: gastaldo@msn.com From: "Douglas Sims" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Need Help Registering for 21st ICHC Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 00:30:02 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2005 05:31:00.0083 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EDD6C30:01C51FB2] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear MapHisters, My wife Ewa and I are trying to register for the Budapest conference, but are having trouble doing so. I would be most grateful if someone out there would inform me whether anyone is having the same trouble we are. It is quite possible that the problem is in our system, for we have had unprecedented difficulties with our system during about the last year and a half. Approximately every two months or so, our system becomes so impossible to use that it becomes necessary to erase the entire hard disk and reinstall from zero. We have a guru friend who is able to do this for us, thank heavens, but neither we nor he have been able to figure out what is causing the tremendous trouble. The problem we are having with the ICHC site, at http://lazarus.elte.hu/~zoltorok/ichc/ichc2005.htm, is as follows. There are three important links which we are unable to get to work for us. They are "REGISTRATION AND RESERVATION FORM" (160 Kb, PDF), "ICHC 2005 Conference Information document" (660 Kb, PDF), and "Preliminary ACADEMIC PROGRAM" (216 Kb, PDF). When we click these links, we are sent to a page which says, "You are not authorized to view this page." These PDF files require the Adobe Reader of course, and supposedly our friend installed this when he reinstalled our system last, about two weeks ago. However, I am not certain of this, and our guru is not available now. At the ICHC site, there is a link to a free download of the Adobe Reader, so I tried that, but again got the screen with "You are not authorized to view this page"! Is anyone else having similar difficulties, and is there another way for us to register for the conference? Doug Douglas W Sims 211 Brighton 15 Street Apartment 3-G Brooklyn, New York 11235 USA 718-891-6684 gastaldo@msn.com (the e-mail address this is coming from) OR dougsims1945@yahoo.com (much preferable, since the above address often fails to function correctly as regards mail sent to us) _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 01:07:35 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Mr Lindsay Frederick Braun Subject: Re: [MapHist] Need Help Registering for 21st ICHC X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl If you wish, and your email address can handle the 1.5MB of files, I can email you the relevant PDFs. L F Braun Dept of History Rutgers University At 12:30 AM 3/3/2005, you wrote: >Dear MapHisters, > >My wife Ewa and I are trying to register for the Budapest conference, but >are having trouble doing so. I would be most grateful if someone out >there would inform me whether anyone is having the same trouble we >are. It is quite possible that the problem is in our system, for we have >had unprecedented difficulties with our system during about the last year >and a half. Approximately every two months or so, our system becomes so >impossible to use that it becomes necessary to erase the entire hard disk >and reinstall from zero. We have a guru friend who is able to do this for >us, thank heavens, but neither we nor he have been able to figure out what >is causing the tremendous trouble. The problem we are having with the >ICHC site, at http://lazarus.elte.hu/~zoltorok/ichc/ichc2005.htm, is as >follows. _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] RE: Cartographic history of the south pole [supplement] Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:44:47 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

Although this discussion - both on- and off-list - is probably considered ended the following area-b(i)ased hard copy (and hardback) work arrived here yesterday (Wednesday), details of which I am generously and selflessly sharing with you all.  It might be - if he isn't doing so already - that Joel has to consider mapping and charting the *approaches* to the South Pole and the south polar regions, too, and not just the Antarctic continent as a 'whole'.

 

Topographical survey and mapping of British Antarctic Territory, South Georgia and the Sandwich Islands 1944-1986 / M.B. McHugo. - Cambridge : British Antarctic Survey, Natural Environment Research Council, 2004. - ix,83 [i.e. 82]p., [17]p. of plates : ill., maps (some col., including outside back cover) ; 31 cm + 'Errata' slip (loose). - "This edition is limited to two hundred and fifty copies of which two hundred are for sale". - The pages of plates are bound between pp.38 & 40 [there is no p.39!]. - Maps 3 - 6 & 9 are leaves (fold.) of col. plates in end pocket. - Includes 'Appendix 1 : List of surveyors by Base and winter' (1944-74): p.76-79 ; 'Appendix 4 : Place-names': p.82-83. - NB: no ind. - ISBN 1-85531-2220

 

Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps ; Compiler of 'IM Bibliography' 1976-2005)

f.herbert@rgs.org

http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections' - including some online catalogues]

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:31:18 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] Registering for 21st ICHC X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl It is not allowed to start the subjectline with the word H e l p. Peter From: "ICHC 2005" Subject: Help for Registering for 21st ICHC Dear Mr Sims, Before you and the whole list would start a long discussion on your problem the ICHC 2005 Academic Secretariat should reply. First of all, your (your wife's ) problem is apparently not the registration procedure. As we understand the problem is that you can not download the registration form in PDF format. We must tell you that this problem can be caused by any security settings, firewalls, or antivirus programs running on your server or on your computer. The file on our server has no special security settings, can be read by Adobe Reader 3.0 and upwards, so the problem is most likely at your side. Most likely you should allow the browser to download/open PDF files. Have your tried to download any other PDF file from any other server? If there is the same problem than, you should look after your computer guru to check your settings. As you did not mentioned your operational system and the browser you use, we can not help you more in this regard. However, we are delighted to hear that you would like to register for the conference. It would have been much better to contact us first and we would have sent you the file(s) you need by e-mail. The Regsitration Form is still c. 160kB, so do not ask Lindsay Brown to send you megabytes (and ruin you system again).... Please, send us an e-mail OFF-LIST if you would like us to send you the files. Sincerely, Zsolt Török PS: If anybody has ever experienced similar problems, please, be so kind to contact the conference secretariat first. We are here. Thank you. ______________________________________________________________________________ Dr. Zsolt Török, ICHC 2005 Co-ordinator ichc2005@lazarus.elte.hu http://lazarus.elte.hu/~zoltorok/ichc2005.htm Department of Cartography and Geoinformatics, Eötvös Loránd University H-1117 Budapest, Pázmány Péter sétány 1/A Hungary, European Union ______________________________________________________________________________ ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Douglas Sims" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Sent: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 00:30:02 -0500 Subject: [MapHist] Need Help Registering for 21st ICHC > Dear MapHisters, > > My wife Ewa and I are trying to register for the Budapest conference, > but are having trouble doing so. I would be most grateful if > someone out there would inform me whether anyone is having the same > trouble we are. It is quite possible that the problem is in our > system, for we have had unprecedented difficulties with our system > during about the last year and a half. Approximately every two > months or so, our system becomes so impossible to use that it > becomes necessary to erase the entire hard disk and reinstall from > zero. We have a guru friend who is able to do this for us, thank > heavens, but neither we nor he have been able to figure out what is > causing the tremendous trouble. The problem we are having with the ICHC > site, at http://lazarus.elte.hu/~zoltorok/ichc/ichc2005.htm, is as follows. > > There are three important links which we are unable to get to work > for us. They are "REGISTRATION AND RESERVATION FORM" (160 Kb, PDF), > "ICHC 2005 Conference Information document" (660 Kb, PDF), and > "Preliminary ACADEMIC PROGRAM" (216 Kb, PDF). When we click these > links, we are sent to a page which says, "You are not authorized to > view this page." These PDF files require the Adobe Reader of course, > and supposedly our friend installed this when he reinstalled our > system last, about two weeks ago. However, I am not certain of this, > and our guru is not available now. At the ICHC site, there is a > link to a free download of the Adobe Reader, so I tried that, but again > got the screen with "You are not authorized to view this page"! > > Is anyone else having similar difficulties, and is there another way > for us to register for the conference? > > Doug > > Douglas W Sims > 211 Brighton 15 Street > Apartment 3-G > Brooklyn, New York 11235 > USA > > 718-891-6684 > > gastaldo@msn.com (the e-mail address this is coming from) > > OR > > dougsims1945@yahoo.com (much preferable, since the above address > often fails to function correctly as regards mail sent to us) > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info ------- End of Original Message ------- _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "ICHC 2005" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] ICHC 2005 Budapest/ Registrations Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:14:26 +0100 X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.30 20040103 X-OriginatingIP: 157.181.171.8 (zoltorok) X-ELTE-SpamVersion: MailScanner 4.31.6-itk1 (ELTE 1.2) SpamAssassin 2.63 ClamAV 0.73 X-ELTE-VirusStatus: clean X-ELTE-SpamCheck: no X-ELTE-SpamCheck-Details: score=-3.605, required 5.9, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE 0.10, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED 0.10, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10 X-ELTE-SpamLevel: X-ELTE-SpamScore: -3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear MapHisters,

There is a new, amended version of the detailed ICHC 2005 Academic Programme on
the web. All presenters are kindly asked to check their details and
contact the Academic Secretariat if anything needs further correction.
http://lazarus.elte.hu/~zoltorok/ichc/program.html

At the same time we would like to call the attention of presenters of papers
and posters who have not registered, that the deadline was February 15, 2005.
However, as you knew and agreed the conditions, presenters had to register at
the cheaper rate to be included in the program. Despite all effort, there are
still some who would not send the Registration Form to the conference
secretariat.

So far we accepted the late registrations, but from March 1, 2005 we accept
registrations at the normal fee, there is a new Registration Form on the web
that you should fill in and mail/fax.
http://lazarus.elte.hu/~zoltorok/ichc/ichc2005_registration.pdf
(Those who indicated some problems before February 15 can still register at
the ceaper rate.)

The presenters who have not registered or contacted the secretariats will be
deleted from the program...


Thank you for your understanding, our primary concern is a rich and reliable
academic program for the benefit of all participants,

Regards,

Zsolt
______________________________________________________________________________
Dr. Zsolt Török, ICHC 2005 Co-ordinator
ichc2005@lazarus.elte.hu
http://lazarus.elte.hu/~zoltorok/ichc2005.htm

Department of Cartography and Geoinformatics, Eötvös Loránd University
H-1117 Budapest, Pázmány Péter sétány 1/A
Hungary, European Union
______________________________________________________________________________

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Lucyna Poplawska" Organization: BU UMK To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:53:37 +0100 Subject: [MapHist] Reques for "Katalog atlasow..." X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () X-Scanned-By: UMK MailServer, MIMEDefang 2.42 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear all participants of MapHist, I am looking for the information about the following book by Dzikowski Mikolaj (1883-1957) : "Katalog atlasow Biblioteki Uniwersyteckiej w Wilnie ze szczegolnym uwzglednieniem zbiorow Joachima Lelewela oraz map Polski". Ed. Wilno : Stefan Batory University Library in Wilno,1934-1939. I would like to find out the number of items of this particular catalog. If you have this "Katalog...." in your collection, please let me know: Is it printed, on a microfilm, copied, etc...? Is it a complete work or just a fragment ? What is its provenance? I have already checked many European Libraries' catalogs and have found three items out of Poland and Lithuania. I hope to find more, thanks to your help. If you have any info about this "Katalog...", kept in other places than your library, please let me know too. I would be very grateful for any help. Thanks very much for any assistance. Lucyna Poplawska Nicolaus Copernicus University Library ul. Gagarina 13, 87-100 Torun, Poland tel: 48 56 611 4475 fax: 48 56 652 0419 http://www.bu.uni.torun.pl L.Poplawska@bu.uni.torun.pl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Lucyna Poplawska" Organization: BU UMK To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:56:04 +0100 Subject: [MapHist] Reques for "Katalog atlasow..." X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () X-Scanned-By: UMK MailServer, MIMEDefang 2.42 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear all participants of MapHist, I am looking for the information about the following book by Dzikowski Mikolaj (1883-1957) : "Katalog atlasow Biblioteki Uniwersyteckiej w Wilnie ze szczegolnym uwzglednieniem zbiorow Joachima Lelewela oraz map Polski". Ed. Wilno : Stefan Batory University Library in Wilno,1934-1939. I would like to find out the number of items of this particular catalog. If you have this "Katalog...." in your collection, please let me know: Is it printed, on a microfilm, copied, etc...? Is it a complete work or just a fragment ? What is its provenance? I have already checked many European Libraries' catalogs and have found three items out of Poland and Lithuania. I hope to find more, thanks to your help. If you have any info about this "Katalog...", kept in other places than your library, please let me know too. I would be very grateful for any help. Thanks very much for any assistance. Lucyna Poplawska Nicolaus Copernicus University Library ul. Gagarina 13, 87-100 Torun, Poland tel: 48 56 611 4475 fax: 48 56 652 0419 http://www.bu.uni.torun.pl L.Poplawska@bu.uni.torun.pl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Reques for "Katalog atlasow..." Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:18:07 -0500 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MapHist] Reques for "Katalog atlasow..." Thread-Index: AcUf+MVwPLyWM4egQiCDINyrNh5bZQAAcNs/ From: "Seegel, Steven" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2005 14:18:09.0778 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3A1DD20:01C51FFB] X-Brown-Proofpoint: Not Infected X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy= score=0 mlx=-1 adultscore=0 adjust=0 engine=2.5.0-05022200 definitions=2.5.0-05022403 X-Brown-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, rule=notspam policy= score=0 mlx=-1 adultscore=0 adjust=0 engine=2.5.0-05022200 definitions=2.5.0-05022403 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Lucyna Poplawska: I have also done some research with this important catalogue by Dzikowski in Poland and Lithuania. I can verify that there are two copies in the United States, at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (complete, on microfilm) and Widener Library at Harvard University (complete, in hard cover form at the library's depository). I have looked at both of these in person. According to the WORLDCAT database there is an additional hard copy in North America, at the University of British Columbia. All the best (Wszystkiego najlepszego), Steven Seegel Brown University (USA) ________________________________ From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl on behalf of Lucyna Poplawska Sent: Thu 3/3/2005 8:56 AM To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Reques for "Katalog atlasow..." Dear all participants of MapHist, I am looking for the information about the following book by Dzikowski Mikolaj (1883-1957) : "Katalog atlasow Biblioteki Uniwersyteckiej w Wilnie ze szczegolnym uwzglednieniem zbiorow Joachima Lelewela oraz map Polski". Ed. Wilno : Stefan Batory University Library in Wilno,1934-1939. I would like to find out the number of items of this particular catalog. If you have this "Katalog...." in your collection, please let me know: Is it printed, on a microfilm, copied, etc...? Is it a complete work or just a fragment ? What is its provenance? I have already checked many European Libraries' catalogs and have found three items out of Poland and Lithuania. I hope to find more, thanks to your help. If you have any info about this "Katalog...", kept in other places than your library, please let me know too. I would be very grateful for any help. Thanks very much for any assistance. Lucyna Poplawska Nicolaus Copernicus University Library ul. Gagarina 13, 87-100 Torun, Poland tel: 48 56 611 4475 fax: 48 56 652 0419 http://www.bu.uni.torun.pl L.Poplawska@bu.uni.torun.pl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "J.B. Post" To: , "roger" , , "Andrew Johnson" , "Jefferson Moak" Subject: [MapHist] County atlases on-line Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:04:04 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0509-4, 03/03/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I was visiting Franklin Maps today and was told several area county atlases have been put on the site http://www.andysantiqueatlases.com . JBP _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:22:18 -0800 Subject: [MapHist] want list From: "James C. Jeffery III" To: , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I am seeking the following, please reply if you are aware of any of these individual maps. 1. Fernandez de Navarett, Atlas Map #2 from Espinosa y Tello, A Spanish Voyage to Vancouver and North-West Coast of America. 1802 E espanol: Carte Esferica de los Reconocimientos Hechos en la Costa N.O. de America en 1791 y 92 por las Goletas Sutil, y Mexicana y otros Buques de S.M. 1802 2. DUPETIT-THOUARS, Abel Aubert. Voyage Autour du Monde sur la Frégate la Vénus pendant les années 1836-1839, publié par ordre du Roi, sous les auspices du Ministre de la Marine, par M. Abel du Petit-Thouars, Capitaine de vaisseau, Commandeur de la Légion dąhonneur. Paris: Gide, 1840-1844 & 1855. Atlas map no. 5 Plan De La Baie De Monterey (Haute Californie) 3. Vancouver's visit to Monterey 11/19/1784 Remarkable mountain on the Monterey River. Coloured lithograph. Tardieu or Sykes 4. Wheat, Carl I. Mapping the Transmississippi West Vol. 1 only 1957 Grabhorn Press 5. Forbes, Alexander California: A History of Upper and Lower California. London: Smith, Elder, & Co 1839, Zamorano 80, #38. Also looking for California USGS Geologic Atlas Folios Jim Jeffery PO Box 961 Los Gatos, CA 95031 USA _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:45:32 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: List-owner MapHist Subject: Re: [MapHist] want list X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Jim Please read the rules of this discussion list at http://www.maphist.nl/index.html. * Not acceptable are (please use the Maptrade List): * To use the list as a sale or wants list. * Listing the important items in a new catalogue. * Asking for price information. Peter At 22:22 3-3-2005, you wrote: >I am seeking the following, please reply if you are aware of any of these >individual maps. Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:00:54 -0500 From: "Navigator" Subject: Re: [MapHist] County atlases on-line To: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl -Do you want the real thing or do you want reproductions? We have quite a few Franklin County, MA maps on our website. Amherst Antiquarian Maps P.O. Box 12 Amherst, MA 01004-0012, USA Tel: 413-256-8900 Fax: 413-256-6291 www.Amherst-maps.com Member, International Antiquarian Mapsellers Association ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.B. Post" To: ; "roger" ; ; "Andrew Johnson" ; "Jefferson Moak" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: [MapHist] County atlases on-line > I was visiting Franklin Maps today and was told several area county > atlases have been put on the site > > http://www.andysantiqueatlases.com . > > > JBP > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: TKashuba@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:42:38 EST Subject: Re: [MapHist] County atlases on-line To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5038 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
In a message dated 3/3/2005 3:19:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, jbpost@netreach.net writes:
http://www.andysantiqueatlases.com
It appears that this link is either broken or the web pages have been removed.
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [24.188.202.15] X-Originating-Email: [gastaldo@msn.com] X-Sender: gastaldo@msn.com From: "Douglas Sims" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Reques for "Katalog atlasow..." Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 01:45:52 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2005 06:46:00.0369 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3A85210:01C52085] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Lucyna, There is also a copy of this famous catalog in the university library at Wroclaw, as I recall being told by Krzystyna Szykula. No copy of the catalog has a printed title page, for, although all other parts were printed, the title page was still in the process of being worked up when The Germans invaded Poland, and it never got off the press! (information from Leo Bagrow in one of the early numbers of 'Imago Mundi', but I don't recall exactly where now) Apparently, only a few copies exist. Doug Sims >From: "Lucyna Poplawska" >Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >Subject: [MapHist] Reques for "Katalog atlasow..." >Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:56:04 +0100 > > > >Dear all participants of MapHist, > >I am looking for the information about the following book by >Dzikowski Mikolaj (1883-1957) : "Katalog atlasow Biblioteki >Uniwersyteckiej w Wilnie ze szczegolnym uwzglednieniem zbiorow >Joachima Lelewela oraz map Polski". Ed. Wilno : Stefan Batory >University Library in Wilno,1934-1939. I would like to find out the >number of items of this particular catalog. If you have this >"Katalog...." in your collection, please let me know: > Is it printed, on a microfilm, copied, etc...? > Is it a complete work or just a fragment ? > What is its provenance? > >I have already checked many European Libraries' catalogs and have >found three items out of Poland and Lithuania. I hope to find more, >thanks to your help. If you have any info about this "Katalog...", kept >in other >places than your library, please let me know too. I would >be very grateful for any help. >Thanks very much for any assistance. > >Lucyna Poplawska Nicolaus Copernicus University Library >ul. Gagarina 13, 87-100 Torun, Poland >tel: 48 56 611 4475 fax: 48 56 652 0419 >http://www.bu.uni.torun.pl >L.Poplawska@bu.uni.torun.pl > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Wolfgang Köberer To: Subject: AW: [MapHist] Reques for "Katalog atlasow..." Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:37:35 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUf+Fd7v0cbdspiQaOdf07yHGB4vgApPYFA X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Ms. Poplawska, according to the Digital OPAC "Hebis" the Stadt- und Universitätsbiblithek in Frankfurt am Main (Germany) holds the catalogue. The information reads as follows: Titel: Katalog atlasów biblioteki universyteckej w Wilnie / Mikolaj Dzikowski Autor: Mikolaj Dzikowski Erschienen: Wilno : Bibl. Univ. St. Batorego, 1940 Umfang: 677 S. Anmerkung: Titelbl. Fehlt Although the title page is reported missing it just looks like this is it. Regards, Wolfgang Köberer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] Im Auftrag von Lucyna Poplawska Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. März 2005 14:54 An: maphist@geog.uu.nl Betreff: [MapHist] Reques for "Katalog atlasow..." Dear all participants of MapHist, I am looking for the information about the following book by Dzikowski Mikolaj (1883-1957) : "Katalog atlasow Biblioteki Uniwersyteckiej w Wilnie ze szczegolnym uwzglednieniem zbiorow Joachima Lelewela oraz map Polski". Ed. Wilno : Stefan Batory University Library in Wilno,1934-1939. I would like to find out the number of items of this particular catalog. If you have this "Katalog...." in your collection, please let me know: Is it printed, on a microfilm, copied, etc...? Is it a complete work or just a fragment ? What is its provenance? I have already checked many European Libraries' catalogs and have found three items out of Poland and Lithuania. I hope to find more, thanks to your help. If you have any info about this "Katalog...", kept in other places than your library, please let me know too. I would be very grateful for any help. Thanks very much for any assistance. Lucyna Poplawska Nicolaus Copernicus University Library ul. Gagarina 13, 87-100 Torun, Poland tel: 48 56 611 4475 fax: 48 56 652 0419 http://www.bu.uni.torun.pl L.Poplawska@bu.uni.torun.pl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] Fw: County atlases on-line Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 07:44:26 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Antivirus: avast! 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I like the fact that if Franklin owns the tradename (Hopkins or J.L. Smith), they superimpose that name over the atlas plates.  Otherwise they superimpose "Franklin Maps"  Of course we know that old man Amsterdam swiped most of the original Mueller employees but not the name.  From a style point of view, Franklin is the lineal descendant of Mueller as one would have a hard time differentiating between the two styles.
 
Jefferson

>>> "J.B. Post" <jbpost@netreach.net> 03/03/05 04:04PM >>>
   I was visiting Franklin Maps today and was told several area county
atlases have been put on the site

                  http://www.andysantiqueatlases.com .


             JBP

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Barber, Peter" To: "'maphist@geog.uu.nl'" Subject: RE: [MapHist] Reques for "Katalog atlasow..." Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:40:59 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Dr Poplawska The British Library has a fiche version of the catalogue, consisting of 8 fiches, with the note that the catalogue was never completed and was abandoned after 1940. The shelf mark is Cup Cup.900.ss.77. Best wishes Peter Barber Peter Barber MA, FSA, FRHistS Head of Map Collections Map Library British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB tel.(020) 7412 7701 fax (020) 7412 7780 -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Köberer Sent: 04 March 2005 09:38 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: AW: [MapHist] Reques for "Katalog atlasow..." Dear Ms. Poplawska, according to the Digital OPAC "Hebis" the Stadt- und Universitätsbiblithek in Frankfurt am Main (Germany) holds the catalogue. The information reads as follows: Titel: Katalog atlasów biblioteki universyteckej w Wilnie / Mikolaj Dzikowski Autor: Mikolaj Dzikowski Erschienen: Wilno : Bibl. Univ. St. Batorego, 1940 Umfang: 677 S. Anmerkung: Titelbl. Fehlt Although the title page is reported missing it just looks like this is it. Regards, Wolfgang Köberer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] Im Auftrag von Lucyna Poplawska Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. März 2005 14:54 An: maphist@geog.uu.nl Betreff: [MapHist] Reques for "Katalog atlasow..." Dear all participants of MapHist, I am looking for the information about the following book by Dzikowski Mikolaj (1883-1957) : "Katalog atlasow Biblioteki Uniwersyteckiej w Wilnie ze szczegolnym uwzglednieniem zbiorow Joachima Lelewela oraz map Polski". Ed. Wilno : Stefan Batory University Library in Wilno,1934-1939. I would like to find out the number of items of this particular catalog. If you have this "Katalog...." in your collection, please let me know: Is it printed, on a microfilm, copied, etc...? Is it a complete work or just a fragment ? What is its provenance? I have already checked many European Libraries' catalogs and have found three items out of Poland and Lithuania. I hope to find more, thanks to your help. If you have any info about this "Katalog...", kept in other places than your library, please let me know too. I would be very grateful for any help. Thanks very much for any assistance. Lucyna Poplawska Nicolaus Copernicus University Library ul. Gagarina 13, 87-100 Torun, Poland tel: 48 56 611 4475 fax: 48 56 652 0419 http://www.bu.uni.torun.pl L.Poplawska@bu.uni.torun.pl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:47:45 -0600 From: Angie Cope User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Reques for "Katalog atlasow..." X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 129.89.7.48 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I haven't been paying completely close attention to this line so I'm sorry if I repeat something ...

From a search on Worldcat one may see that the following libraries have this item on fiche:

Location  Library  Code 
IL UNIV OF ILLINOIS UIU  
MA HARVARD UNIV, HARVARD COL LIBR HLS  
BC UNIV OF BRITISH COLUMBIA LIBR UBC  


Angie

Barber, Peter wrote:
 

 

 


Dear Dr Poplawska

 

The British Library has a fiche version of the catalogue, consisting of 8 fiches,  with the note that the catalogue was never completed and was abandoned after 1940. The shelf mark  is Cup  Cup.900.ss.77. 
 

Best wishes 

 

Peter Barber

 


 

 


Peter Barber  MA, FSA, FRHistS
Head of Map Collections
Map Library
British Library
96 Euston Road
London NW1 2DB

tel.(020) 7412 7701
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From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Köberer
Sent: 04 March 2005 09:38
To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: AW: [MapHist] Reques for "Katalog atlasow..."

Dear Ms. Poplawska,

according to the Digital OPAC "Hebis" the Stadt- und Universitätsbiblithek in Frankfurt am Main (Germany) holds the catalogue. The information reads as follows:

Titel: 	Katalog atlasów biblioteki universyteckej w Wilnie / Mikolaj Dzikowski
Autor: 	Mikolaj Dzikowski
Erschienen: Wilno : Bibl. Univ. St. Batorego, 1940 Umfang: 	677 S.
Anmerkung: 	Titelbl. Fehlt

Although the title page is reported missing it just looks like this is it.

Regards,
Wolfgang Köberer

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] Im Auftrag von Lucyna Poplawska
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. März 2005 14:54 An: maphist@geog.uu.nl Betreff: [MapHist] Reques for "Katalog atlasow..."

 
 
Dear all participants of MapHist,
 
I am looking for the information about the following book by Dzikowski Mikolaj (1883-1957) : "Katalog atlasow Biblioteki Uniwersyteckiej w Wilnie ze szczegolnym  uwzglednieniem zbiorow Joachima Lelewela oraz map Polski". Ed.  Wilno : Stefan Batory University Library in Wilno,1934-1939. I would like to find out the number of items of this particular catalog. If you have this "Katalog...." in your collection, please let me know:
     Is it printed, on a microfilm, copied, etc...?
     Is it a complete work or just a fragment ?
     What is its provenance?
 
I have already checked many European Libraries' catalogs and have found three items out of Poland and Lithuania. I hope to find more, thanks to your help. If you have  any info about this "Katalog...", kept in other
places  than your library, please let me know too.  I would be very grateful for any help. 
Thanks very much for any assistance. 

Lucyna Poplawska   Nicolaus Copernicus University Library ul. Gagarina 13,  87-100 Torun,   Poland tel: 48 56  611 4475  fax: 48 56  652 0419 http://www.bu.uni.torun.pl L.Poplawska@bu.uni.torun.pl 

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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Jacques Paris" To: Subject: [MapHist] about a river name Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:35:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sorry if my question reveals that I am a real amateur in the domain of historical maps but I would appreciate any help in finding some pertinent information or at least a way to unearth it. My research concern a small river located on the North of the Saint-Lawrence river, some 50 miles east of Montréal. It bears presently the name of Bayonne (given to it around 1720 by one of the first seigneurs of the area who was from Bayonne, France). It was recorded also as Berthier (a previous seigneur), name that still appears on maps published after the "conquest" such as in the Murray Atlas (1760). My question comes more specifically from a map entitled "The river St-Lawrence accurately drawn from D'Anville's map, published under the patronage of the Duke d'Orleans, engraved by J.Harrison, London" (1790). In the position of the Bayonne river (recognizable by its adjacency to the settlement of Berthier) is a river with the name of Sump R. On several of the d'Anville maps, I could identify the Bayonne but no name is attached to it. The "Commission de la toponymie du Québec" has never heard of that appellation and it seems that locally they have no trace of it. From the point of view of an historical cartographer, is that issue worth pursuing and what route should I follow to be able to qualify this observation? Jacques Paris _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Barber, Peter" To: "'Late Antiquity:'" , "'Liber-GdC:'" , "'Lismaps:'" , "'MapHist:'" , "'Maps-L:'" , "'Renais-L:'" , "'Urban-Geography:'" Subject: [MapHist] Helen Wallis Fellowship Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:31:40 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 04:35:47 -0800 Subject: [MapHist] March 7: Bernarda Bryson Shahn (1903-2004) From: Penny L.Richards To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl This story of mapmaking in the early 1930s is found in an oral history online at: http://archivesofamericanart.si.edu/oralhist/shahn83.htm "When I was working on the Ohio State Journal a friend of mine named Mary Daugherty – I had two jobs; she had three jobs. One of her jobs was being a statistician for the state (she was a very brilliant girl, and was also a reporter on the Journal). Mary told me that there was a great deal of starvation in the state of Ohio, and it was being registered under all sorts of names, such as 'malnutrition' and all kinds of attendant illnesses that come from starvation. Mary said, 'If you'll draw a map, I'll do the statistics.' I made a map consisting of every county of the state, and she filled in the statistics of malnutrition and all these various diseases that come from hunger and exposure. We made this map. We tried to get our paper to publish it; they wouldn't, although, I must say, the editor was sympathetic at least. We tried to get the Citizen, the Scripps paper, to publish it; they wouldn't. We tried to get the Columbus Dispatch to publish it; they wouldn't. We gave it to the Communist Party. This was the year before I went to New York." --Journalist, artist, and activist Bernarda Bryson Shahn, in a 1983 interview for the Smithsonian; she was born on this date in 1903, in Athens, Ohio. Penny L. Richards PhD Research Scholar, UCLA Center for the Study of Women Co-editor, H-Education and H-Disability turley2@earthlink.net _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 07:52:21 -0500 From: "Pam van Ee" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] March 7: Bernarda Bryson Shahn (1903-2004) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Thanks Bob. >>> turley2@earthlink.net 03/07/05 7:35 AM >>> This story of mapmaking in the early 1930s is found in an oral history online at: http://archivesofamericanart.si.edu/oralhist/shahn83.htm "When I was working on the Ohio State Journal a friend of mine named Mary Daugherty * I had two jobs; she had three jobs. One of her jobs was being a statistician for the state (she was a very brilliant girl, and was also a reporter on the Journal). Mary told me that there was a great deal of starvation in the state of Ohio, and it was being registered under all sorts of names, such as 'malnutrition' and all kinds of attendant illnesses that come from starvation. Mary said, 'If you'll draw a map, I'll do the statistics.' I made a map consisting of every county of the state, and she filled in the statistics of malnutrition and all these various diseases that come from hunger and exposure. We made this map. We tried to get our paper to publish it; they wouldn't, although, I must say, the editor was sympathetic at least. We tried to get the Citizen, the Scripps paper, to publish it; they wouldn't. We tried to get the Columbus Dispatch to publish it; they wouldn't. We gave it to the Communist Party. This was the year before I went to New York." --Journalist, artist, and activist Bernarda Bryson Shahn, in a 1983 interview for the Smithsonian; she was born on this date in 1903, in Athens, Ohio. Penny L. Richards PhD Research Scholar, UCLA Center for the Study of Women Co-editor, H-Education and H-Disability turley2@earthlink.net _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:37:45 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: [MapHist] art & cartography X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl As I have been scrounging through a variety of sources for a project, I came across the following two items that I do not recall being specifically mentioned on MapHist, nor did I see them in the IM bibliography (no disrespect Francis...I might have missed it, but these are not the usual cartographic fare). I thought I'd at least share these with the group.

1. Representing Place; Landscape Painting and Maps, by Edward S. Casey.
University of Minnesota Press, 392 pages, 2002, ISBN: 0-8166-3714-8 / 0-8166-3715-6
(Cloth/Paper)
(Review: <http://mitpress2.mit.edu/e-journals/Leonardo/reviews/dec2002/CASEY_ione.html>


2. The Dictionary of Imaginary Places, by Alberto Manguel and Gianni Guadalupi, Published by Knopf, 755 pages, 1999, ISBN: 0676971989
(Review: <http://www.sfsite.com/12a/dip94.htm>)

           Joel Kovarsky
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 20:26:54 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: Re: [MapHist] art & cartography X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl At 07:37 PM 3/7/2005, you wrote:
1. Representing Place; Landscape Painting and Maps, by Edward S. Casey.
University of Minnesota Press, 392 pages, 2002, ISBN: 0-8166-3714-8 / 0-8166-3715-6
(Cloth/Paper)
(Review: <http://mitpress2.mit.edu/e-journals/Leonardo/reviews/dec2002/CASEY_ione.html>


Sorry. This one was in the IM bibliography, just later than those indexed in JSTOR. I've already issued a private apology to Francis (and this is still an interesting work).

           Joel Kovarsky

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] art & cartography Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:12:14 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

Joel:

 

Thanks for apology; but I have a feeling, too, that the second work (that of Manguel & Guadalupi) was/is a 1999 reprint of a considerably older edition.

 

Francis

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-----Original Message-----
From:
Joel Kovarsky [mailto:jsk@gamewood.net]
Sent: 08 March 2005 01:27
To: maphist@geog.uu.nl
Subject: Re: [MapHist] art & cartography

 

At 07:37 PM 3/7/2005, you wrote:

1. Representing Place; Landscape Painting and Maps, by Edward S. Casey.
University of Minnesota
Press, 392 pages, 2002, ISBN: 0-8166-3714-8 / 0-8166-3715-6 (Cloth/Paper)
(Review: <http://mitpress2.mit.edu/e-journals/Leonardo/reviews/dec2002/CASEY_ione.html>



Sorry. This one was in the IM bibliography, just later than those indexed in JSTOR. I've already issued a private apology to Francis (and this is still an interesting work).

          
Joel Kovarsky

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 07:08:48 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: RE: [MapHist] art & cartography X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl At 04:12 AM 3/8/2005, you wrote:
second work (that of Manguel & Guadalupi) was/is a 1999 reprint of a considerably older edition.]

It was, but much expanded. I believe the original was 1981, but the newer version had quite a bit of added information re: such places as Jurassic Park, Hogwarts, and more.  It went beyond more classical references (Homer's Cyclopes Island, Swift's Luggnagg).

          Joel

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 07:37:12 -0500 From: Hillshaw@aol.com To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Imaginary places X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 152.78.221.108 X-AOL-Language: english X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl In a general sense, not especially cartographic but does cover maps too, 'Place and Placeslessness', by E Relph, may interest some here Hillary _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] art & cartography Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:38:10 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0509-6, 03/07/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
   The US edition of DICTIONARY OF IMAGINARY PLACES was published by Macmillan  in 1980.  There is also a UK edition, but bibliographic info not easily at hand.  As an aside, I can demonstrate that at least one of the maps was - harsh word is "plagiarized, gentler word is "derived" - from another map. 
 
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As I have been scrounging through a variety of sources for a project, I came across the following two items that I do not recall being specifically mentioned on MapHist, nor did I see them in the IM bibliography (no disrespect Francis...I might have missed it, but these are not the usual cartographic fare). I thought I'd at least share these with the group.

1. Representing Place; Landscape Painting and Maps, by Edward S. Casey.
University of Minnesota Press, 392 pages, 2002, ISBN: 0-8166-3714-8 / 0-8166-3715-6
(Cloth/Paper)
(Review: <http://mitpress2.mit.edu/e-journals/Leonardo/reviews/dec2002/CASEY_ione.html>


2. The Dictionary of Imaginary Places, by Alberto Manguel and Gianni Guadalupi, Published by Knopf, 755 pages, 1999, ISBN: 0676971989
(Review: <http://www.sfsite.com/12a/dip94.htm>)

           Joel Kovarsky
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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" Subject: [MapHist] PBS show on the Vinland Map Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:49:22 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl It is perhaps worth adding that the website includes a transcript of the programme, as well as a sequence of enlarged illustrations. Tony Campbell -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.0 - Release Date: 08/03/2005 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*Liber-GdC" , "*Lismaps" , "*MapHist" Subject: [MapHist] First Imago Mundi Prize awarded Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:07:38 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl (please excuse cross-posting) First Imago Mundi Prize awarded ---------------------------------- The Directors of Imago Mundi Ltd are delighted to announce that the first Imago Mundi Prize has been awarded to Dr Zur Shalev (PhD Princeton University, 2004), a Visiting Research Scholar, Modern History Faculty, Oxford University, for his article 'Sacred Geography, Antiquarianism and Visual Erudition: Benito Arias Montano and the Maps in the Antwerp Polyglot Bible', Imago Mundi: the International Journal for the History of Cartography, 55 (2003), 56-80. The Prize is offered every two years. This award covered Volumes 55 (2003) and 56 (2004), the latter the first volume to be issued in half-yearly parts. The winning article is the one judged 'to have made the most significant contribution to the discipline'. Full length articles are eligible for the Prize but not short articles, since it is only full length articles that are automatically subjected to the (anonymous) external refereeing process before acceptance for publication. The winner receives $1000, and qualifies for a J.B. Harley Travel Award to the next biennial International Conference on the History of Cartography (Budapest, 17-22 July 2005). For further information please see: * the journal's website (which includes links to the online JSTOR archive of back issues) * the website of the publisher, Routledge Journals (Taylor & Francis) (where the article is available online in subscribing institutions). Tony Campbell Chairman, Imago Mundi Ltd t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk 'Map History / History of Cartography: THE Gateway to the Subject' http://www.maphistory.info/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 09/03/2005 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Lucyna Poplawska" Organization: BU UMK To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:55:21 +0100 Subject: [MapHist] Request for "Katalog atlasow..." X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) X-Spam-Score: -5.899 () X-Scanned-By: UMK MailServer, MIMEDefang 2.42 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl To all those who have helped me, I would like to extend my thanks to all those who have helped, or tried to help me to find the items of "Katalog atlasow Biblioteki Uniwersyteckiejfor me w Wilnie ze szczegolnym uwzglednieniem zbiorow Joachima Lelewela oraz map Polski". That was an interesting experience and some responses turned out to be very important and useful to me. Thank you once again for any help. Regards, Lucyna Poplawska Lucyna Poplawska Nicolaus Copernicus University Library ul. Gagarina 13, 87-100 Torun, Poland tel: 48 56 611 4475 fax: 48 56 652 0419 http://www.bu.uni.torun.pl L.Poplawska@bu.uni.torun.pl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=EKXLDOghPrO4sw3LchQbStM3ULdHUwaDoufCCq/Ew+vCaOGbBjk8lQvziXfADQi7i51kA241oIgSwhPuEYOpZg2m4tsKzYhk6ALMA7mBahRdfKwoV6JzjWu70fjR4KKpS0v0msVkwuf9SP4bdccq2fh1hNBFXvOX2SYoMv2cdUM= ; Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:40:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jay Lester Subject: [MapHist] Native American path in Alabama on the map? To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hello MapHisters, I have received the following e-mail (via the William P. Cumming Map Society web site) requesting information about a Native American path crossing north Alabama and Mississippi. I'm hoping someone in the MapHist family can provide an answer. If you reply via MapHist, I will forward to the author of the following: Dear Jay, We have an ongoing question here in the Bankhead National Forest (in NW Alabama) concerning the exact location of an Indian trail called the High Town Path. There is a local group of State recognized Indians called the Echota Cherokee, some of whom believe that the High Town Path ran east/west (and/or west/east) through the north portion of the Bankhead Forest along the Tennessee Divide. One of the members of the group, a fellow named Rickey Butch Walker, wrote a book (50 pages) on the subject called the High Town Path (1992). I have checked the references in his book (which has been a somewhat laborious process) and cannot find any substantive evidence of this Indian trail having been located here. [I don't doubt that there were important early transportation routes through North Alabama. My dilemma, as an archaeologist, is can this particular one be identified on the ground with some degree of certainty here in the Bankhead National Forest?] I do see where some lines on early maps probably indicate the presence of a trail (or trails) in North Alabama but either the exactitude of the maps is not detailed enough to determine that a trail may be in the area of the modern Bankhead Forest or the line indicating a trail looks as though it would not be in the Bankhead Forest. My arena of expertise is prehistory so perhaps there is some primary data "out there" that would support the claim for an Indian trail having been here and I am unaware of that literature. ...My question for you (and anyone else in the Cumming Map Society willing to help) is would you look at this book and give me an opinion or help with future direction for my research? Thanks for your consideration and please feel free to forward this message. * * * * * * * * So, does any one know of a map naming the High Town Path? Mathew Carey's map of Georgia (1795) http://www.cummingmapsociety.org/J_1795_Georgia_Carey_Barker_Guthrie.jpg shows a path and/or tribal boundary heading into north Alabama from "High Town", but the path stops in current north central Alabama and is not named. That's the best I was able to come up with. I have not seen the Adair map of 1775 or the Stuart-Lewis MS map of 1774 (Cumming 448 and 446, respectively). Thanks so much for any help. Jay Lester Chapel Hill, NC mapsguy@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:24:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [MapHist] Native American path in Alabama on the map? From: To: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.7) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Jay, This is not my area of expertise , but the INTERNET gave 2 references that may be of help to this inquiry. 1. By one reference, Col. Abel Streight, a Union officer during the Civil War, used the "Old Town Path" to march on a rail line. Apparently there are maps that show "Steight's Route". 2. Another reference states that the "High Town Path" was used as the Southern boundary for the land cession to the Chickasaws and the Cherokees in the Turkey Town Treaty of 1816. Research into finding a copy of the map delineating this treaty may well solve your inquirer's dilemma. Don McGuirk > Hello MapHisters, > > I have received the following e-mail (via the William P. Cumming Map Society web > site) requesting information about a Native American path crossing north Alabama > and Mississippi. I'm hoping someone in the > MapHist family can provide an answer. If you reply via MapHist, I will forward to > the author of the following: > > Dear Jay, > We have an ongoing question here in the Bankhead National Forest > (in NW Alabama) concerning the exact location of an Indian trail called the High > Town Path. There is a local group of State recognized Indians called the Echota > Cherokee, some of whom believe that the High Town Path ran east/west (and/or > west/east) through the north portion of the Bankhead Forest along the Tennessee > Divide. One of the members of the group, a fellow named Rickey Butch Walker, > wrote a book (50 pages) on the subject called the High Town Path (1992). I have > checked the > references in his book (which has been a somewhat laborious process) and cannot > find any substantive evidence of this Indian trail having been located here. [I > don't doubt that there were important early transportation routes through North > Alabama. My dilemma, as an > archaeologist, is can this particular one be identified on > the ground with some degree of certainty here in the Bankhead National Forest?] I > do see where some lines on early maps probably indicate the presence of a trail > (or trails) in North Alabama but either the > exactitude of the maps is not detailed enough to determine that a trail may be in > the area of the modern Bankhead Forest or the line indicating a trail looks as > though it would not be in the Bankhead Forest. My arena of expertise is > prehistory so perhaps there is some primary data "out there" that would support > the claim for an Indian trail having been here and I am unaware of that > literature. > > ...My question for you (and anyone else in the Cumming Map > Society willing to help) is would you look at this book and give me an opinion or > help with future direction for my research? Thanks for your consideration and > please feel free to forward this message. > * * * * * * * * > > So, does any one know of a map naming the High Town Path? Mathew > Carey's map of Georgia (1795) > http://www.cummingmapsociety.org/J_1795_Georgia_Carey_Barker_Guthrie.jpg shows a > path and/or tribal boundary heading into north Alabama from "High Town", but the > path stops in current north central Alabama and is not named. That's the best I > was able to come up with. I have not seen the Adair map of 1775 or the > Stuart-Lewis MS map of 1774 (Cumming 448 and 446, respectively). > > Thanks so much for any help. > > > Jay Lester > Chapel Hill, NC > mapsguy@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and > do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of > Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:55:48 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: Re: [MapHist] Native American path in Alabama on the map? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl At 09:40 AM 3/10/2005, you wrote:
I have received the following e-mail (via the William P. Cumming Map
Society web site) requesting information about a Native American path
crossing north Alabama and Mississippi. I'm hoping someone in the
MapHist family can provide an answer. If you reply via MapHist, I will
forward to the author of the following:


Jay- This isn't a direct answer, and I did not see the name of the individual asking the question. Still, although Mark Warhus' book (Another America: Native American Maps  and the History of Our Land, St. Martin's Press, 1997) does not directly deal with this, he might be a source.  I think he can be reached via the Herzfeld Foundation <http://www.historicthirdward.org/business/richardethelherzfeldfoundationthe.php>.

          Joel Kovarsky

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:29:54 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: John Day Subject: Re: [MapHist] Native American path in Alabama on the map? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Tell me if I am completely off the mark, but does this have relation to the query a couple of months back about the song Follow the Drinking Gourd? Do the paths have some overlap? John >Jay, > >This is not my area of expertise , but the INTERNET gave 2 >references that may be of >help to this inquiry. > >1. By one reference, Col. Abel Streight, a Union officer during the >Civil War, used >the "Old Town Path" to march on a rail line. Apparently there are >maps that show >"Steight's Route". > >2. Another reference states that the "High Town Path" was used as the Southern >boundary for the land cession to the Chickasaws and the Cherokees in >the Turkey Town >Treaty of 1816. Research into finding a copy of the map delineating >this treaty may >well solve your inquirer's dilemma. > >Don McGuirk > >> Hello MapHisters, >> >> I have received the following e-mail (via the William P. Cumming >>Map Society web >> site) requesting information about a Native American path crossing >>north Alabama >> and Mississippi. I'm hoping someone in the >> MapHist family can provide an answer. If you reply via MapHist, I >>will forward to >> the author of the following: >> >> Dear Jay, >> We have an ongoing question here in the Bankhead National Forest >> (in NW Alabama) concerning the exact location of an Indian trail >>called the High >> Town Path. There is a local group of State recognized Indians >>called the Echota >> Cherokee, some of whom believe that the High Town Path ran east/west (and/or >> west/east) through the north portion of the Bankhead Forest along >>the Tennessee >> Divide. One of the members of the group, a fellow named Rickey >>Butch Walker, >> wrote a book (50 pages) on the subject called the High Town Path >>(1992). I have >> checked the >> references in his book (which has been a somewhat laborious >>process) and cannot >> find any substantive evidence of this Indian trail having been >>located here. [I >> don't doubt that there were important early transportation routes >>through North >> Alabama. My dilemma, as an >> archaeologist, is can this particular one be identified on >> the ground with some degree of certainty here in the Bankhead >>National Forest?] I >> do see where some lines on early maps probably indicate the >>presence of a trail >> (or trails) in North Alabama but either the >> exactitude of the maps is not detailed enough to determine that a >>trail may be in >> the area of the modern Bankhead Forest or the line indicating a >>trail looks as >> though it would not be in the Bankhead Forest. My arena of expertise is >> prehistory so perhaps there is some primary data "out there" that >>would support >> the claim for an Indian trail having been here and I am unaware of that >> literature. >> >> ...My question for you (and anyone else in the Cumming Map >> Society willing to help) is would you look at this book and give >>me an opinion or >> help with future direction for my research? Thanks for your >>consideration and >> please feel free to forward this message. >> * * * * * * * * >> >> So, does any one know of a map naming the High Town Path? Mathew >> Carey's map of Georgia (1795) >> >>http://www.cummingmapsociety.org/J_1795_Georgia_Carey_Barker_Guthrie.jpg >>shows a >> path and/or tribal boundary heading into north Alabama from "High >>Town", but the >> path stops in current north central Alabama and is not named. >>That's the best I >> was able to come up with. I have not seen the Adair map of 1775 or the >> Stuart-Lewis MS map of 1774 (Cumming 448 and 446, respectively). >> >> Thanks so much for any help. >> >> >> Jay Lester >> Chapel Hill, NC >> mapsguy@yahoo.com >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ >> _______________________________________________________________ >> MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >> hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >>the author and > > do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. >The University of >> Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. >> List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:21:31 -0500 From: Joel Bresler Subject: Re: [MapHist] Native American path in Alabama on the map? To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hi, John. The Drinking Gourd inquiry was mine. I'd welcome word of any overlap. A correspondent (not from this list) suggested to me recently that following Indian trails would be one possible way that slaves keeping to a river route could avoid marshy, wet areas. Best, Joel Bresler At 01:29 PM 3/10/2005, you wrote: >Tell me if I am completely off the mark, but does this have relation to >the query a couple of months back about the song Follow the Drinking >Gourd? Do the paths have some overlap? > >John > >>Jay, >> >>This is not my area of expertise , but the INTERNET gave 2 references >>that may be of >>help to this inquiry. >> >>1. By one reference, Col. Abel Streight, a Union officer during the Civil >>War, used >>the "Old Town Path" to march on a rail line. Apparently there are maps >>that show >>"Steight's Route". >> >>2. Another reference states that the "High Town Path" was used as the >>Southern >>boundary for the land cession to the Chickasaws and the Cherokees in the >>Turkey Town >>Treaty of 1816. Research into finding a copy of the map delineating this >>treaty may >>well solve your inquirer's dilemma. >> >>Don McGuirk >> >>> Hello MapHisters, >>> >>> I have received the following e-mail (via the William P. Cumming Map >>> Society web >>> site) requesting information about a Native American path crossing >>> north Alabama >>> and Mississippi. I'm hoping someone in the >>> MapHist family can provide an answer. If you reply via MapHist, I will >>> forward to >>> the author of the following: >>> >>> Dear Jay, >>> We have an ongoing question here in the Bankhead National Forest >>> (in NW Alabama) concerning the exact location of an Indian trail >>> called the High >>> Town Path. There is a local group of State recognized Indians called >>> the Echota >>> Cherokee, some of whom believe that the High Town Path ran east/west >>> (and/or >>> west/east) through the north portion of the Bankhead Forest along the >>> Tennessee >>> Divide. One of the members of the group, a fellow named Rickey Butch >>> Walker, >>> wrote a book (50 pages) on the subject called the High Town Path >>> (1992). I have >>> checked the >>> references in his book (which has been a somewhat laborious process) >>> and cannot >>> find any substantive evidence of this Indian trail having been located >>> here. [I >>> don't doubt that there were important early transportation routes >>> through North >>> Alabama. My dilemma, as an >>> archaeologist, is can this particular one be identified on >>> the ground with some degree of certainty here in the Bankhead National >>> Forest?] I >>> do see where some lines on early maps probably indicate the presence >>> of a trail >>> (or trails) in North Alabama but either the >>> exactitude of the maps is not detailed enough to determine that a >>> trail may be in >>> the area of the modern Bankhead Forest or the line indicating a trail >>> looks as >>> though it would not be in the Bankhead Forest. My arena of expertise is >>> prehistory so perhaps there is some primary data "out there" that >>> would support >>> the claim for an Indian trail having been here and I am unaware of that >>> literature. >>> >>> ...My question for you (and anyone else in the Cumming Map >>> Society willing to help) is would you look at this book and give me an >>> opinion or >>> help with future direction for my research? Thanks for your >>> consideration and >>> please feel free to forward this message. >>> * * * * * * * * >>> >>> So, does any one know of a map naming the High Town Path? Mathew >>> Carey's map of Georgia (1795) >>>http://www.cummingmapsociety.org/J_1795_Georgia_Carey_Barker_Guthrie.jpg >>>shows a >>> path and/or tribal boundary heading into north Alabama from "High >>> Town", but the >>> path stops in current north central Alabama and is not named. That's >>> the best I >>> was able to come up with. I have not seen the Adair map of 1775 or the >>> Stuart-Lewis MS map of 1774 (Cumming 448 and 446, respectively). >>> >>> Thanks so much for any help. >>> >>> >>> Jay Lester >>> Chapel Hill, NC >>> mapsguy@yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >>> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ >>> _______________________________________________________________ >>> MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >>> hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >>> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the >>> author and >> > do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The >> University of >>> Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. >>> List Information: http://www.maphist.info >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________________________ >>MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >>hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >>The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >>the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >>Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >>the views of the author. >>List Information: http://www.maphist.info > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info Joel Bresler 250 E. Emerson Rd. Lexington, MA 02420 USA 781-862-4104 (Telephone & FAX) joel.br@verizon.net _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: LOUDEV@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:39:40 EST Subject: Re: [MapHist] Native American path in Alabama on the map? To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5038 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Joel I am on this list also.  You may wish to take a look at my piece on Indian Trails which is in the online Georgia Encyclopedia.  Louis De Vorsey X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: jsk@pop.gamewood.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:59:25 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Joel Kovarsky Subject: Re: [MapHist] Native American path in Alabama on the map? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl At 04:39 PM 3/10/2005, you wrote:
Joel I am on this list also.  You may wish to take a look at my piece on Indian Trails which is in the online Georgia Encyclopedia.  Louis De Vorsey


For those of you who would like to see this article: <http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/nge/Article.jsp?id=h-790>.  Prof. De Vorsey also wrote: Louis De Vorsey Jr., The Indian Boundary in the Southern Colonies, 1763-1775 (Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 1961).

       Joel Kovarsky

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Subject: CFP: Cartography and Cartographic Images, 1000 - 2000 A.D.


Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:47:57 -0600
From: Paul Rutschmann <prutsch@uta.edu>
Subject: CFP: Cartography and Cartographic Images, 1000 - 2000 A.D.

Call for papers:  Cartography and Cartographic Images, 1000 - 2000 A.D.:
  Interpreting Transatlantic Cultures and Consciousness

The History Department of the University of Texas at Arlington (UTA) and
the Transatlantic History Student Organization (THSO) are sponsoring the
Sixth Annual Graduate Student Workshop on Transatlantic History.  Since
1999 this workshop has proved a venue to discuss the comparative and
transnational/transcultural character of the interrelations and
interactions between peoples of the Atlantic World.

 From the Vikings' first Vinland voyage to today's modern satellite
imaging, cartography has played a crucial, and often underappreciated,
role in the development and interaction of peoples in the Atlantic
World. The purpose of UTA's interdisciplinary workshop is to bring
together graduate students to explore the use of cartography, and
related cartographic imagery, in shaping mankind's vision and
interrelations in the transatlantic community. We invite papers on the
topic of cartography and cartographic imagery which may include, but are
not limited to, all print media [maps, books, newspapers, personal
journals and travel diaries, political cartoons, visual propaganda,
etc.] artisan media [artwork, wood carving, metallurgy, gemology,
needlework, pottery, scrimshaw, etc.] and organic media [foods, animals,
agriculture, horticulture, etc.] Students are encouraged to use a broad
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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.207] X-Originating-Email: [m_zalar@hotmail.com] X-Sender: m_zalar@hotmail.com From: "michael zalar" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Native American path in Alabama on the map? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:28:36 +0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2005 13:28:36.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[3AC82430:01C5263E] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl The Shallus map of 1814 shows an east/west running road going to a place called Flat Rock. Checking an Alabama map I find a flat top just to the north of Bankhead National Forest. From this it would look like that road passed north of the Forest by a few miles. However, there is another road that goes SE from Flat Rock and it appears that this road would go through the Forest. Hope this helps. See map at: http://www.libs.uga.edu/darchive/hargrett/maps/1814m5.jpg >From: Jay Lester >Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >To: maphist@geog.uu.nl >Subject: [MapHist] Native American path in Alabama on the map? >Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:40:13 -0800 (PST) > >Hello MapHisters, > >I have received the following e-mail (via the William P. Cumming Map >Society web site) requesting information about a Native American path >crossing north Alabama and Mississippi. I'm hoping someone in the >MapHist family can provide an answer. If you reply via MapHist, I will >forward to the author of the following: > >Dear Jay, > We have an ongoing question here in the Bankhead National Forest >(in NW Alabama) concerning the exact location of an Indian trail called >the High Town Path. There is a local group of State recognized Indians >called the Echota Cherokee, some of whom believe that the High Town >Path ran east/west (and/or west/east) through the north portion of the >Bankhead Forest along the Tennessee Divide. One of the members of the >group, a fellow named Rickey Butch Walker, wrote a book (50 pages) on >the subject called the High Town Path (1992). I have checked the >references in his book (which has been a somewhat laborious process) >and cannot find any substantive evidence of this Indian trail having >been located here. [I don't doubt that there were important early >transportation routes through North Alabama. My dilemma, as an >archaeologist, is can this particular one be identified on >the ground with some degree of certainty here in the Bankhead National >Forest?] I do see where some lines on early maps probably indicate the >presence of a trail (or trails) in North Alabama but either the >exactitude of the maps is not detailed enough to determine that a trail >may be in the area of the modern Bankhead Forest or the line indicating >a trail looks as though it would not be in the Bankhead Forest. My >arena of expertise is prehistory so perhaps there is some primary data >"out there" that would support the claim for an Indian trail having >been here and I am unaware of that literature. > >...My question for you (and anyone else in the Cumming Map >Society willing to help) is would you look at this book and give me an >opinion or help with future direction for my research? Thanks for your >consideration and please feel free to forward this message. >* * * * * * * * > >So, does any one know of a map naming the High Town Path? Mathew >Carey's map of Georgia (1795) >http://www.cummingmapsociety.org/J_1795_Georgia_Carey_Barker_Guthrie.jpg >shows a path and/or tribal boundary heading into north Alabama from >"High Town", but the path stops in current north central Alabama and is >not named. That's the best I was able to come up with. I have not seen >the Adair map of 1775 or the Stuart-Lewis MS map of 1774 (Cumming 448 >and 446, respectively). > >Thanks so much for any help. > > >Jay Lester >Chapel Hill, NC >mapsguy@yahoo.com > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=DBrqeWdGDBpqRpfubzjwaXZ3t/x4Xq/Zqvh/xW5f3PJ+8IjbZFUu2dnx2XGHeePFd4fxoA5cZT+teGnYeQDUvVHqjUz3QJnstMm+WWxFpJZzSdvPl0u53TWd+HqN1iKM5uWTOYWz5TaIeqkCzBuY2Px0Egt1g3tb56FVvPhXHQs= ; Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:58:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jay Lester Subject: RE: [MapHist] Native American path in Alabama on the map? To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Michael, Thanks for your help, and to all the replies from other MapHisters. The path you mention I believe is referred to as the Chickasaw Path in some articles I've read. It is located south of the "Dividing Ridge" (the Tennessee Divide), also shown on the 1814 map. The ridge is the reported location of the High Town Path, but as yet, we haven't uncovered a map showing a trail following that specific course. From Dr. De Vorsey's article mentioned in a prior post: "Indian trails generally followed ridges and drainage divides to minimize stream crossings and swampy bottomlands." Regards, Jay L. --- michael zalar wrote: > > The Shallus map of 1814 shows an east/west running road going to a > place > called Flat Rock. Checking an Alabama map I find a flat top just to > the > north of Bankhead National Forest. From this it would look like that > road > passed north of the Forest by a few miles. > However, there is another road that goes SE from Flat Rock and it > appears > that this road would go through the Forest. Hope this helps. > See map at: > http://www.libs.uga.edu/darchive/hargrett/maps/1814m5.jpg > > >Hello MapHisters, > > > >I have received the following e-mail (via the William P. Cumming Map > >Society web site) requesting information about a Native American > path > >crossing north Alabama and Mississippi. I'm hoping someone in the > >MapHist family can provide an answer. If you reply via MapHist, I > will > >forward to the author of the following: > > > >Dear Jay, > > We have an ongoing question here in the Bankhead National > Forest > >(in NW Alabama) concerning the exact location of an Indian trail > called > >the High Town Path. There is a local group of State recognized > Indians > >called the Echota Cherokee, some of whom believe that the High Town > >Path ran east/west (and/or west/east) through the north portion of > the > >Bankhead Forest along the Tennessee Divide. One of the members of > the > >group, a fellow named Rickey Butch Walker, wrote a book (50 pages) > on > >the subject called the High Town Path (1992). I have checked the > >references in his book (which has been a somewhat laborious process) > >and cannot find any substantive evidence of this Indian trail having > >been located here. [I don't doubt that there were important early > >transportation routes through North Alabama. My dilemma, as an > >archaeologist, is can this particular one be identified on > >the ground with some degree of certainty here in the Bankhead > National > >Forest?] I do see where some lines on early maps probably indicate > the > >presence of a trail (or trails) in North Alabama but either the > >exactitude of the maps is not detailed enough to determine that a > trail > >may be in the area of the modern Bankhead Forest or the line > indicating > >a trail looks as though it would not be in the Bankhead Forest. My > >arena of expertise is prehistory so perhaps there is some primary > data > >"out there" that would support the claim for an Indian trail having > >been here and I am unaware of that literature. > > > >...My question for you (and anyone else in the Cumming Map > >Society willing to help) is would you look at this book and give me > an > >opinion or help with future direction for my research? Thanks for > your > >consideration and please feel free to forward this message. > >* * * * * * * * > > > >So, does any one know of a map naming the High Town Path? Mathew > >Carey's map of Georgia (1795) > >http://www.cummingmapsociety.org/J_1795_Georgia_Carey_Barker_Guthrie.jpg > >shows a path and/or tribal boundary heading into north Alabama from > >"High Town", but the path stops in current north central Alabama and > is > >not named. That's the best I was able to come up with. I have not > seen > >the Adair map of 1775 or the Stuart-Lewis MS map of 1774 (Cumming > 448 > >and 446, respectively). > > > >Thanks so much for any help. > > > > > >Jay Lester > >Chapel Hill, NC > >mapsguy@yahoo.com > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > >_______________________________________________________________ > >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > >hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility > for > >the views of the author. > >List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility > for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:23:32 +0100 (CET) Subject: [MapHist] Nieu-Nederland From: brink@geog.uu.nl To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl L.s. A few weeks ago a copy of Matthaeus Greuter's 49 cm-terrestrial globe (Rome 1632) came into the commercial market. From several references we know that Greutner (1556-1638) largely borrowed the cartographic and decorative imagery of his first terrestrial globe from that of Willem Jansz. Blaeu. One novelty of Greutner's globe however is the addition of the name "Nieu Nederland" along the coast of the present United States. I was wondering if someone has a suggestion from what specific cartographic or literary source(s) Greutner derived this interesting addendum? Paul van den Brink Explokart Research Team University of Utrecht The Netherlands _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:16:16 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: Re: [MapHist] art & cartography X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Message not distributed automatically because it was html-encoded. (some days old, since I had not much time the last few days to check the bounced messages.) Peter. Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:30:52 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Bobbie Subject: Re: [MapHist] art & cartography
Hi, my name is Bobbie and I'm new to the list.  I just wrote = ;my Masters thesis on American bird's-eye-views...I just wanted to say that= I found Casey's book to be invaluable.  I would recommend it to anyon= e who wants to investigate the relationship between art and cartography!

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Subject: [M= apHist] art & cartography

As I have been scro= unging through a variety of sources for a project, I came across the follow= ing two items that I do not recall being specifically mentioned on MapHist,= nor did I see them in the IM bibliography (no disrespect Francis...I might= have missed it, but these are not the usual cartographic fare). I thought = I'd at least share these with the group.

1. Representing Place; Landscape Painting and Maps, by Edwa= rd S. Casey.
University of Minnesota Press, 392 pages, 2002, ISBN: 0-81= 66-3714-8 / 0-8166-3715-6
(Cloth/Paper)
(Review: <http://mitpress2.mit.edu/e-journals/Leonardo/reviews/d= ec2002/CASEY_ione.html>


2. = The Dictionary of Imaginary Places, by Alberto Manguel and Gia= nni Guadalupi, Published by Knopf, 755 pages, 1999, ISBN: 0676971989
(Review: <http://www.sfsite.com/12a/dip94.htm>)

  &nb= sp;        Joel Kovarsky
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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:18:58 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] Helwig's map of Silesia, 1561-1778 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl This message was also html-encoded and therefore not distributed automatically. Peter From: "Kazimierz Kozica" Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:54:20 +0000 Subject: Helwig's map of Silesia, 1561-1778 I am trying to locate all known originals of Martin Helwig's 4-sheet map of Silesia, first published in 1561. For a reproduction of what I think is State 7 (1738), see: http://www.maphist.nl/illustr.html The dedication / title changes over the years -- the one on the first state begins with the words "Dem Edlen Erenuesten vnd Namhafftigen Herrn Niclas Rehdinger..." and ends with the words "...Geben inn Bre slaw den 14. Septemb. jm 1561. Jar." I believe that 13 states of this map were issued between 1561 and 1778. They appeared in: 1561, 1605, 1612, 1627, 1642, 1685, 1738, 1745, 1746, 1765, 1776 (twice) and 1778. (A facsimile was published in 1889.) I have published an article about this map, in Polish (with English and Russian summaries), in the "Polish Cartographical Review" (vol. 36, no. 2, 2004, pp. 92–103). Copies of all states of this map are quite rare because this 4-sheet woodcut map was issued only as a separate map, never in a regular atlas. Most of the surviving copies are from composite atlases. I have not been able to locate any copies of the states dated 1627, 1642, 1746, 1776 (the second issue) and 1778. I know of these states only from comments in cartographical literature. If anyone knows of an original of this map, please contact me and I can supply you with a listing of the copies I already know about, mainly in Poland and Germany. Many thanks. Dr. Kazimierz Kozica (Research assistant to Dr. Thomas Niewodniczanski Bitburg, Germany) <kkozica@hotmail.com> ---------- Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fC1QiUUO0Jo6REHPaNXx1/bnFEgwgnsOAmVF1xcWirHB8p2bh6iLBw== To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:58:14 -0500 Subject: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: [MapHist] Native American path in Alabama on the map? X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 From: Paul Boyd X-ContentStamp: 33:16:2444471605 X-MAIL-INFO:26e1ed09c131b524b031f97001298080157991dda594d5c4c49959f499cd X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
Dear MapHisters,
 
Further to the inquiry forwarded by Jay Lester, here's an initial response from a colleague of mine who has studied Indian paths and trails in great depth. I pomit his name and contacts for the moment, for lack of permission. 
 
He writes:
 
QUOTE An important path in the southeast was called the "Etowah" Path (bastardized to "High Tower"). I wouldn't be surprised if this became further bastardized to "High Town."

Myer's Map from Indian Trails of the Southeast shows the Hightower Path situated in northern Georgia (proceeding in an east-west direction) northeast of Atlanta.

An interesting way to trace it is via road-names (i.e. Shallowford Rd. around Atlanta, Hightower Road etc. etc.)
 
There are three identifiable paths in Northern Alabama - (1) "The Old Road from the Tennessee River to Georgia (east-west from Chickasaw Old Fields to just south of Etowah), (2) Gaines Trace (according to Royce) which ran northwest - southeast from Cotton Gin Port in Mississippi to the Tennessee River halfway between Colberts Ferry and Chickasaw Old Fields and (3) General Jackson's Old Military Road - from Nashville southwest to the Mississippi-Ala  border halfway from its northern and southern ends. And, one more: (4) The Route of Jackson's Army - from Chickasaw Old Fields to Montgomery. My educated, though lay, guess is that Route #1 (Old Road) is a western extension of the Hightower Trail in Georgia, and as such, anecdotally referred to as Hightower Trail by Alabama locals.  UNQUOTE

My colleague then goes on to cite a description he says came directly off the Web, from Jim Perkins at
Perk8843@bellsouth.net . [NOTE: It's not clear where the "here" is that Perkins mentions --- in Georgia or Alabama] :

QUOTE It was a major Indian trail from the vicinity of Augusta, to the mountains of northwest Georgia and points beyond. It crossed the river at the "shallow ford" a short distance west of the Roswell Road bridge, where the Indians were able to walk across unless it was flooding. No one knows how many hundreds (or thousands) of years this trail served as the "interstate highway" for the Indians.
 
Because the rough terrain through this area made the trail unsuitable for wagon travel, the early white settlers did not convert it into a permanent road. It gradually faded away or was erased by development over the years. Other stretches along the trail exist as modern roads today.
 
Fortunately, in this area, the path of the trail still remains today as the official line between two land districts. Consequently, it is still shown on some modern day maps, and we are able to tell almost exactly where it ran. It also survives today as the county line between Dekalb and Gwinnett southeast of here, which accounts for the irregular boundary.
 
So let us proceed to describe the route through our neighborhoods and streets of today, proceeding northwest from Peachtree Industrial Boulevard, between Tilly Mill and Winters Chapel roads.
 
It came through the woods on the northeast side of North Amberly Court in Dunwoody Estates after crossing the headwaters of Nancy Creek (I was able to identify evidence of the trail at this undeveloped location.) From there, it proceeded through the west end of the county water works on the north side of Stonehenge Court and crossed Peeler Road west of Windward Drive. It crossed Brandy Turk Way and then Happy Hollow Road north of Coldstream Drive.
 
Then it went across the curve in Heatherdale Lane between Windon Court and Redcliff Way and passed on the north side Kingsley Lake. It apparently passed through the parking lot of Kingsley Swim and Racquet Club before crossing North Peachtree Way.
 
Next, it went directly behind all of the homes on the east side of North Peachtree Road before crossing North Peachtree just north of Sandell Drive. At this point, I believe that it followed the ravine on the east side of the parking lot at the All Saints Catholic Church, before crossing Mount Vernon Road, the southeastern tip of Mount Vernon Center and Jett Ferry Road.
 
After passing across Williamsburg At Dunwoody, it entered the Dunwoody Club Forest area, crossing Trentham Drive and passing near the end of Woodland Way and just to the south of Claibourne, Calder, and Chartridge Courts. It then appears to have crossed the east end of Trowbridge Drive and Stapleton Drive before crossing Trowbridge again near the intersection with Trowbridge Cove.
 
It crossed Tamworth Court in the curve and Trowbridge Drive for the third time before passing across Durett Drive and Durett Way twice in the horseshoe curve. The next crossing was Woodsong Drive between Woodsong Trail and the Woodsong, from which point it traversed the flood plain of Ball Mill Creek.
 
Leaving the Dunwoody Club area, the trail swung in a more northerly direction, crossing Bend Creek Road just east of Bend Creek Way. It moved into Fulton County across Dunwoody Club Drive between the two Bend Creek Road intersections. The path from there to the river crossed Spalding Drive, the curve at the end of Northwold Drive, and Northridge Road east of 400.
 
Finally, it followed the route of today's Hightower trail from Dunwoody Place across Roswell Road into Huntcliff where it crossed the golf course at Cherokee Country Club (appropriate name) and descended the cliff to the shallow ford across the river.   UNQUOTE.

Paul Boyd

 

 

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Didn't Willem Blaeu make a map of the East coast in 1621, at the incorporation of the West India Company, with a series of Coats of Arms along it showing the various colonial powers who made a claim to the Eastcoast and with one of them being the Arms of the Dutch Republic? And wasn't that map subsequently reissued in similar format?
 
You may view the home page of www.tolerancepark.org for that early history as the first settlement had been very well planned during the 12 year truce (1609-1621), and even prior to Henry Hudson's departure. I therefore still believe that it could have been very possible that Hudson had received secret instructions to turn to the west after a few days at sea (like a ship of the Amsterdam Admiralty a year later) and that the popular story of Huson's overt intent to find a route to the East may be bogus.  Because of the truce he could not be attacked by Spain or Portugal.  The Duch already knew that the northern route to the East was impassable
 
I would guess that you may have the details of that cartographic info at your institution.
 
Best.  Joep de Koning
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Where is this map kept -- and are there any placenames, references to trading posts and/or settlements.....?
Jřrgen D. Siemonsen 
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Didn't Willem Blaeu make a map of the East coast in 1621, at the incorporation of the West India Company, with a series of Coats of Arms along it showing the various colonial powers who made a claim to the Eastcoast and with one of them being the Arms of the Dutch Republic? And wasn't that map subsequently reissued in similar format?
 
You may view the home page of www.tolerancepark.org for that early history as the first settlement had been very well planned during the 12 year truce (1609-1621), and even prior to Henry Hudson's departure. I therefore still believe that it could have been very possible that Hudson had received secret instructions to turn to the west after a few days at sea (like a ship of the Amsterdam Admiralty a year later) and that the popular story of Huson's overt intent to find a route to the East may be bogus.  Because of the truce he could not be attacked by Spain or Portugal.  The Duch already knew that the northern route to the East was impassable
 
I would guess that you may have the details of that cartographic info at your institution.
 
Best.  Joep de Koning
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" Subject: [MapHist] Courses in the history of cartography Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:16:06 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl In December 2003, Mark Cohagen and I finalised the 'Map History' page, 'College and university level courses in the history of cartography ' . In recent months, those listed on that page were asked to confirm or update their details. Please let me know if there are further alterations to be made. It would be particularly good to hear of a course that is not already listed. If you know of somebody else who is teaching with early maps, please let me have their email, or ask them to contact me. I am always actively seeking further information, or corrections, for any part of the 100-page 'Map History' site. I make an annual appeal about doctoral dissertation details but would be happy to add those at any time. Finally, if you are interested in web content you might like to think about becoming a 'Collaborator' on the 'Map History' site. The site's acknowledgement page tells you who has already volunteered for a particular area or theme, and the Collaborators' page shows the practical ways in which you could help. This is not a question of taking on some formal responsibility but rather of sharing your knowledge about your area or specialism. While most of the countries of Europe have their 'champion', I would like to extend the network to the separate states of the USA. Write to me OFFLIST, please, if you have any interest in contributing to the general web resource for the history of cartography. Tony Campbell t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Batavier1@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:24:39 EST Subject: Re: [MapHist] Re Greuters Nieu Nederland To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5038 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
The 1621 map is a large one, of the atlantic with the adjoining continents and comprises four pieces.  The left top piece is of the entire east coast and therefore doesn't have the detail that would help you.  Don't know where that map is kept (Librarty of Congress?)  The Block map of which I sent you prrviously a detail won't help you with respect to the settlements east of Rhode Island (Roode Eylant).
 
Joep
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] FW: Cartography and Cartographic Images, 1000 - 2000 A.D. Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:36:36 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I have checked with the original poster of this announcement [sent to MapHist on 11 March by Alexander Schulenburg], Paul Rutschmann . He adds that the Workshop will take place in October 2005, provisionally on the 21st. Tony Campbell -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:57:54 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] Mercator 1537 Cc: mayer@md.huji.ac.il X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from ["Michael Mayer" ] P.S. The message included also an image, which was not accepted by the majordomo program, as usual. Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:22:55 +0200 I am asking for advice on the following map:=20 GERARDUS MERCATOR RAPELMU DANUS FACIEBAT ANNO 1537 CUM GRATIA & = PRINILEGIO CAESAREE MAIES TATIS AD TRIENNIU LAUANY. ORNATISSIMO VIRO = DIFRANCISCO CRANEUELDIO CAESARIS INUICTISS: CONSILIARO DEDICATUM.=20 I would like to learn on the possible authenticity of this map. It is = probably not the extremely rare original copperplate engraving of = Mercator, and it is also probably not the 17th century reimpression by = C. J. Visscher since it does not carry Visscher's monogram. It may also = be a later reproduction since the paper has not the antique net-like = pattern of water marks. Does anybody know about other reimpressions or = later antique reproductions of this map? My copy consists of 6 pages and = seems a rare and high quality hand-colored map.=20 Thank you, Professor Michael Mayer mayer@md.huji.ac.il _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Originating-IP: 66.44.57.154 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "mandraki@erols.com" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:52:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [MapHist] FW: Cartography and Cartographic Images, 1000 - 2000 A.D. X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I also inquired and learned that persons interested who wish to attend the workshop to hear the papers are welcome to do so. For those not familiar with the University of Texas at Arlington, the school is home to the Virginia Garrett Cartographic History Library. It contains thousands of rare maps and atlases, but is particularly focused on the five centuries of exploration and mapping of the New World, with particular emphasis on the region of the Gulf Coast and the Greater Southwest. The school is located about 20 minutes from Dallas-Fort Worth airport with numerous mid-range lodgings nearby, so the logistical aspects of a visit are quite easy. Bert Johnson Original Message: ----------------- From: tony campbell t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:36:36 -0000 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] FW: Cartography and Cartographic Images, 1000 - 2000 A.D. I have checked with the original poster of this announcement [sent to MapHist on 11 March by Alexander Schulenburg], Paul Rutschmann . He adds that the Workshop will take place in October 2005, provisionally on the 21st. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Michael Ritter" To: Subject: [MapHist] Lotter Recens edita Novi Belgii Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:05:08 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-ID: XKwKxZZDgemBj84nWJbIYmWHTKxFBYRYx3JjCWFGN-kb9p1P9KyMcx X-TOI-MSGID: 5d17abc6-f52b-4818-94ab-f65b729167ab X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl The Augsburg mapmaker Matthäus Seutter published a map of North America called "RECENS EDITA / totius / NOVI BELGII, / in / AMERICA SEPTENTRIONALI / siti, / delineatio / cura et sumtibus / MATTHAEI SEUTTERI, / Sac. Cćs. Maj. Geographi / August. Vind." After Seutter's death his name has been replaced by "Tob. Conr. Lotteri". The checklist "Printed Maps of New England to 1780. Part IV: 1700-1780" (Mapforum, Issue 15) lists six different states of this map (no. 1730:02a to 02f). I know the three Seutter states (02a to 02c) and the first two Lotter states (02d and 02e), but I've never seen state 6 (02f) with the letters "S.A.L.A." added after "August.Vind." Does anybody know, where I can find this state? Thank you very much Michael Ritter _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Jřrgen D. Siemonsen To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Mercator 1537 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:42:45 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.199.162.204] using ID 120010085300 at Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:42:50 +0100 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl How does the latin text translate..? Jřrgen D. Siemnosen ----- Original Message ----- From: "by way of List-owner MapHist " To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: [MapHist] Mercator 1537 > Non-member submission from ["Michael Mayer" ] > P.S. The message included also an image, which was not accepted by the > majordomo program, as usual. > > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:22:55 +0200 > > I am asking for advice on the following map:=20 > GERARDUS MERCATOR RAPELMU DANUS FACIEBAT ANNO 1537 CUM GRATIA & = > PRINILEGIO CAESAREE MAIES TATIS AD TRIENNIU LAUANY. ORNATISSIMO VIRO = > DIFRANCISCO CRANEUELDIO CAESARIS INUICTISS: CONSILIARO DEDICATUM.=20 > I would like to learn on the possible authenticity of this map. It is = > probably not the extremely rare original copperplate engraving of = > Mercator, and it is also probably not the 17th century reimpression by = > C. J. Visscher since it does not carry Visscher's monogram. It may also = > be a later reproduction since the paper has not the antique net-like = > pattern of water marks. Does anybody know about other reimpressions or = > later antique reproductions of this map? My copy consists of 6 pages and = > seems a rare and high quality hand-colored map.=20 > > > Thank you, > > Professor Michael Mayer > > mayer@md.huji.ac.il > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:06:37 +0100 From: "M. Hauser" Organization: THE PAMIR ARCHIVE User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Révolution de la mer Caspiene X-Loop-Detect:1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hello! I was not able to find any source for this map series. Hope there is someone out there who might be able to help! Thanks in advance! markus Premiere révolution de la mer Caspiene ou Carte qui indique son Etendue vers le tems de la Population primitive de l'Asie http://www.pamir-adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Premiere%20r%E9volution_144.jpg Seconde révolution de la mer Caspiene ou Carte de Ptolemée http://www.pamir-adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Seconde%20r%E9volution_144.jpg Troisieme révolution de la mer Caspiene ou Carte d'Abdulfeda http://www.pamir-adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Troisieme%20r%E9volution_144.jpg Quatrieme révolution de la mer Caspiene ou Carte du Czar Pierre le Grand. Rectifiée par Mr. d'Anville http://www.pamir-adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Quatrieme%20r%E9volution_144.jpg Derniere révolution de la mer Caspiene_144.jpg http://www.pamir-adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Derniere%20r%E9volution_144.jpg -- THE PAMIR-ARCHIVE THE HISTORY OF EXPLORATION Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/pamirmountains OLD MAPS OF RUSSIAN ASIA Homepage: http://www.angelfire.com/nb/russianmaps/ markus hauser gutstrasse 7 8400 winterthur switzerland mailto:pamirmountains@yahoo.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: krogt@pop.geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:28:35 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Peter van der Krogt Subject: Re: [MapHist] Mercator 1537 Cc: mayer@md2.huji.ac.il X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl It concerns a map of the Holy Land. The Latin text just says that it was made by Gerard Mercator from Rupelmonde in 1537, with an imperial privilege and that it was dedicated to a certain Franciscus Cranevelt. Peter At 11:42 14-3-2005, you wrote: >How does the latin text translate..? >Jřrgen D. Siemnosen >----- Original Message ----- From: "by way of List-owner MapHist >" >To: >Cc: >Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:57 PM >Subject: [MapHist] Mercator 1537 > > >>Non-member submission from ["Michael Mayer" ] >>P.S. The message included also an image, which was not accepted by the >>majordomo program, as usual. >> >>Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:22:55 +0200 >> >>I am asking for advice on the following map:=20 >>GERARDUS MERCATOR RAPELMU DANUS FACIEBAT ANNO 1537 CUM GRATIA & = >>PRINILEGIO CAESAREE MAIES TATIS AD TRIENNIU LAUANY. ORNATISSIMO VIRO = >>DIFRANCISCO CRANEUELDIO CAESARIS INUICTISS: CONSILIARO DEDICATUM.=20 >>I would like to learn on the possible authenticity of this map. It is = >>probably not the extremely rare original copperplate engraving of = >>Mercator, and it is also probably not the 17th century reimpression by = >>C. J. Visscher since it does not carry Visscher's monogram. It may also = >>be a later reproduction since the paper has not the antique net-like = >>pattern of water marks. Does anybody know about other reimpressions or = >>later antique reproductions of this map? My copy consists of 6 pages and = >>seems a rare and high quality hand-colored map.=20 >> >> >>Thank you, >> >>Professor Michael Mayer >> >>mayer@md.huji.ac.il >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________________________ >>MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >>hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >>The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >>the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >>Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >>the views of the author. >>List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Dr Peter van der Krogt Map Historian, Explokart Research Program Faculty of Geo-sciences, University of Utrecht P.O. Box 80.115 3508 TC UTRECHT, The Netherlands e-mail: peter@vanderkrogt.net Homepage: MapHist: Genealogy: Elementymology: Columbus Monuments: YYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PER ANGUSTA AD AUGUSTA YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Monumenta Cartographica Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:29:02 +0100 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Monumenta Cartographica Thread-Index: AcUm/U4G2TuJ2hYwSEyhq3/8iXP1rABkW6Gg From: "Joost Depuydt" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear mapfriends, Since Friday 11 March 2005 you can visit a marvellous exhibition in the University Library in Leuven (Belgium), entitled 'Monumenta Cartographica'. This exhibition focuses on cosmography since Roman times until the middle of the sixteenth century. We show 37 facsimiles of unique cartographic material such as the Carta del Cantino, the Castiglioni world map or the printed maps of the world and of Europe by Martin Waldseemüller. Most of the reproductions show 'Tabulae modernae' from the Ptolemaeus-codex by Henricus Martellus, kept by the National Library in Firenze. The (facsimiles of) early maps are accompanied by 23 original cosmographical sources from the collections of the University Library. We show maps and views in two different Breydenbach-editions and two different editions of Schedels world chronicle, along with early printed editions of Pomponius Mela, Joannes de Sacrobosco, Claudius Ptolemaeus and others. The exhibition closes chronologically with Gemma Frisius, a prominent academic figure in early sixteenth century Leuven, who was the first to describe how to use trigonometry for topographical surveys. He was also the tutor of Gerard Mercator, who doesn't need any introduction. There is a brief catalogue in Dutch (35 p.) available for 5 euro. The German catalogue of the original exhibition in Essen (December 2004-January 2005), with full colour reproductions of all maps, can be ordered for 10 euro. You can order these publications from the 'Ruildienst' at the address below or by e-mail: ruildienst@bib.kuleuven.ac.be You can find the website of the exhibition (in Dutch) at: http://bib.kuleuven.be/mc Yours sincerely, Joost Depuydt University Library K.U.Leuven Mgr. Ladeuzeplein 21 B-3000 LEUVEN (België) tel. +32 16 32 46 08 fax +32 16 32 46 16 mailto:joost.depuydt@bib.kuleuven.ac.be http://www.bib.kuleuven.ac.be/ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Paolo Buonora" To: Subject: [MapHist] Map thefts Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:34:04 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

Dear collegues,

 

In autumn 2004 we discovered that some thefts were made recently in our Archive. Among other things, several beautiful maps of the Alessandrino Cadastre are now missing. The good news is that all of them were digitized at high resolution and are still accessible on the Imago website.

Missing maps are described in the following web page:

http://www.asrm.archivi.beniculturali.it/English/alessandrino_thefts.htm

We will appreciate any suggestion or indication that can help us to bring them back to our collection.

Just to add a personal consideration, we have to consider how digitisation politics can make our collections more famous, and consequently encourage thieves to visit us (Harvey's "Island of lost maps" docet).

Thanks for your attention,

 

Paolo Buonora

State Archive of Rome

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] RE: 'a certain' Cranevelt Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:40:33 +0100 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 'a certain' Cranevelt Thread-Index: AcUokV84ZNlDgKOyQce5jobH9jJg2QAADIVg From: "Joost Depuydt" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Franciscus Cranevelt is not just 'a certain' dedicatee. We was a well respected humanist living in Bruges, who corresponded with most a the leading humanists of his time. At the University Library in Leuven, we keep the Cranevelt-correspondence, in which you can find letters from 'certain humanists' such as Desiderius Erasmus, Juan Luis Vives and Thomas More, just to mention these three. More about Frans Cranevelt and his correspondence can be found in: Namen: Thomas More [aut] Cranevelt, Franciscus [oth] Schulte Herbrüggen, Hubertus [edt] Titel: Morus ad Craneveldium litterae Balduinianae novae / Ed. by Hubertus Schulte Herbruggen Imprint: Leuven : Leuven university press, 1997 - XX, 245 p.: ill. Series: (Supplementa Humanistica Lovaniensia ; 11) ISSN/ISBN: 90-6186-792-4 Namen: de Vocht, Henry [aut] Cranevelt, Franciscus [oth] Titel: Literae virorum eruditorum ad Franciscum Craneveldium 1522-1528 / A collection of original letters ed. from the manuscripts and ill. with notes and commentaries by Henry de Vocht Imprint: Louvain : Librairie universitaire, 1928 - XCIX, 775 p. Series: (Humanistica Lovaniensia ; 1) Yours sincerely, Joost Depuydt University Library K.U.Leuven Mgr. Ladeuzeplein 21 B-3000 LEUVEN (België) tel. +32 16 32 46 08 fax +32 16 32 46 16 mailto:joost.depuydt@bib.kuleuven.ac.be http://www.bib.kuleuven.ac.be/ -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] Namens Peter van der Krogt Verzonden: maandag 14 maart 2005 13:29 Aan: maphist@geog.uu.nl CC: mayer@md2.huji.ac.il Onderwerp: Re: [MapHist] Mercator 1537 It concerns a map of the Holy Land. The Latin text just says that it was made by Gerard Mercator from Rupelmonde in 1537, with an imperial privilege and that it was dedicated to a certain Franciscus Cranevelt. Peter At 11:42 14-3-2005, you wrote: >How does the latin text translate..? >Jřrgen D. Siemnosen >----- Original Message ----- From: "by way of List-owner MapHist >" >To: >Cc: >Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:57 PM >Subject: [MapHist] Mercator 1537 > > >>Non-member submission from ["Michael Mayer" ] >>P.S. The message included also an image, which was not accepted by the >>majordomo program, as usual. >> >>Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:22:55 +0200 >> >>I am asking for advice on the following map:=20 >>GERARDUS MERCATOR RAPELMU DANUS FACIEBAT ANNO 1537 CUM GRATIA & = >>PRINILEGIO CAESAREE MAIES TATIS AD TRIENNIU LAUANY. ORNATISSIMO VIRO = >>DIFRANCISCO CRANEUELDIO CAESARIS INUICTISS: CONSILIARO DEDICATUM.=20 I >>would like to learn on the possible authenticity of this map. It is = >>probably not the extremely rare original copperplate engraving of = >>Mercator, and it is also probably not the 17th century reimpression by >>= C. J. Visscher since it does not carry Visscher's monogram. It may >>also = be a later reproduction since the paper has not the antique >>net-like = pattern of water marks. Does anybody know about other >>reimpressions or = later antique reproductions of this map? My copy >>consists of 6 pages and = seems a rare and high quality hand-colored >>map.=20 >> >> >>Thank you, >> >>Professor Michael Mayer >> >>mayer@md.huji.ac.il >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________________________ >>MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted >>by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements >>and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do >>not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The >>University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views >>of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted >by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements >and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do >not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The >University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of >the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Dr Peter van der Krogt Map Historian, Explokart Research Program Faculty of Geo-sciences, University of Utrecht P.O. Box 80.115 3508 TC UTRECHT, The Netherlands e-mail: peter@vanderkrogt.net Homepage: MapHist: Genealogy: Elementymology: Columbus Monuments: YYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PER ANGUSTA AD AUGUSTA YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Map thefts Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:19:10 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Paolo Buonora asks if 'digitisation politics can make our collections more famous, and consequently encourage thieves to visit us'. I hope that neither the State Archive of Rome, nor any other collection which holds valuable material, depends for their security on the ignorance of potential thieves. As has been shown by map thefts in Europe and the US over recent years, thieves are quite capable of doing detailed homework, using printed and personal sources as well as the web. Without wishing - as a now thoroughly retired map librarian - to go into details of security procedures, is it not now agreed that before anybody is allowed to see valuable and vulnerable material certain steps are taken? In particular, their personal details (properly checked) need to be recorded next to the items they are consulting. Knowing that their fingerprint would be on any theft that was subsequently discovered, is surely one of the better deterrents - though not, of course, the only one. I offer my sympathy to Paolo Buonara for this irreplaceable loss and very much hope that this public announcement may make it more likely that the material is recovered. From the time of a conference on this subject at Aberystwyth nearly three years ago, I, and others, have been urging that there should be full and immediate disclosure of any theft, so that other libraries and the map trade can avoid buying such items by mistake < http://www.maphistory.info/response.html >. For that reason, I am copying the announcement to the UK map trade. Perhaps others will do likewise for the US and elsewhere. Finally, I would be very sorry to see the great benefits for research (both amateur and scholarly) of a speedily growing corpus of map images on the web threatened by a fear of theft. Taking that argument to its extreme would logically lead to an end of published catalogues as well. ***************************************** Tony Campbell 76 Ockendon Road London N1 3NW UK t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk Tel: 020 7359 6477 International: +44 20 7359 6477 ****************************************** 'Map History / History of Cartography: THE Gateway to the Subject' http://www.maphistory.info/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Paolo Buonora" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] Map thefts Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:56:44 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Many thanks to Tony Campbell for his interest and sympathy. In fact we digitised these maps to prevent risk in traditional consulting, as thefts in the reading room. The weak point of the chain was instead internal security, after a long lasting habit to replace old archivists with "contractors" and young people with no experience and no feeling of identity, which is typical in our profession of stakeholders. I am an optimist: stealing a painted map and sell it is much more dangerous than doing it with a printed one. So, to find these maps seems to be a question of time, and digitisation will help. We will not slow our effort to offer the best of our collections in a digital access. Paolo Buonora ----- Original Message ----- From: "tony campbell" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [MapHist] Map thefts > Paolo Buonora asks if 'digitisation politics can make our collections more > famous, and consequently encourage thieves to visit us'. > > > > I hope that neither the State Archive of Rome, nor any other collection > which holds valuable material, depends for their security on the ignorance > of potential thieves. As has been shown by map thefts in Europe and the > US > over recent years, thieves are quite capable of doing detailed homework, > using printed and personal sources as well as the web. > > > > Without wishing - as a now thoroughly retired map librarian - to go into > details of security procedures, is it not now agreed that before anybody > is > allowed to see valuable and vulnerable material certain steps are taken? > In > particular, their personal details (properly checked) need to be recorded > next to the items they are consulting. Knowing that their fingerprint > would be on any theft that was subsequently discovered, is surely one of > the > better deterrents - though not, of course, the only one. > > > > I offer my sympathy to Paolo Buonara for this irreplaceable loss and very > much hope that this public announcement may make it more likely that the > material is recovered. From the time of a conference on this subject at > Aberystwyth nearly three years ago, I, and others, have been urging that > there should be full and immediate disclosure of any theft, so that other > libraries and the map trade can avoid buying such items by mistake < > http://www.maphistory.info/response.html >. For that reason, I am copying > the announcement to the UK map trade. Perhaps others will do likewise for > the US and elsewhere. > > > > Finally, I would be very sorry to see the great benefits for research > (both > amateur and scholarly) of a speedily growing corpus of map images on the > web > threatened by a fear of theft. Taking that argument to its extreme would > logically lead to an end of published catalogues as well. > > > > ***************************************** > Tony Campbell > 76 Ockendon Road > London N1 3NW > UK > > t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk > > Tel: 020 7359 6477 International: +44 20 7359 6477 > ****************************************** > 'Map History / History of Cartography: THE Gateway to the Subject' > http://www.maphistory.info/ > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Dov Gavish" To: Subject: [MapHist] Survey of Palestine Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:49:50 +0200 X-Virus: scanned by VAMS 2005 version 8.641 from Mon Mar 14 14:03:16 2005 CET X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I am pleased to announce the publication of my new book: The Survey and Mapping of Palestine under the British Mandate, 1920-1948 The book was published by RoutledgeCurzon and sponsored by the Palestine Exploration Fund, London: http://www.pef.org.uk/Pages/Gavish.htm Since the maps in the book are published in grayscale, I advise readers to enter the link: http://geography.huji.ac.il/dovcarto/dovpersonal.htm for the page with the thumbnails of the maps in colors, and further by double clicking for the enlargement of the maps. Please feel free to download the maps in color and append them to the illustrations in the book. Dov _______________________________________ Dr. Dov Gavish * Department of Geography The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel 91905 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Simon Dewez" To: Cc: "Simon Dewez" Subject: Re: [MapHist] Nieu-Nederland Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:05:36 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Paul, It may well be that author of the addition was not Greuter himself. I have recently catalogued a 26.5 cms Greuter globe dated 1638, the year that he died. As you know, there is very little information on Greuter and in fact, not many of his globes are known. Furthermore, the example I researched was at the time known only in one other example, that mentioned by Stevenson and belonging to the Hispanic Society of America. Of note is that although the original 1638 date was maintained on the imprint, Giovannia Battista Rossi's imprint was now included. Rossi took over the production of Greuter's globes in 1638, the year that the latter died. Furthermore, although the 1638 date is maintained, Rossi has modified the original engraving to include a remarkably updated depiction of all five Great Lakes, but has also added the name 'N.Amsterdam', the original name for New York. It would appear that the source for Rossi's amendments was Sanson's '1650 Amerique Septentrionale'. I have noted a further 1638 example of Greuter's 26.5 cm globe, identified by Peter Van der Krogt ('Old Globed in the Netherlands' 1984) and held by the Maritime Museum in Rotterdam. This example has Rossi's imprint and the 1638 date, and is identical to ours except in the additions I have previously mentioned and other changes I mention in my catalogue. In other words, it still shows the geography of Greuter's 1632 globe. Please contact me privately if you would like a copy of my research. Simon Dewez maps@sydney.net Gowrie Galleries 316 Oxford St Woollahra 2025 NSW Australia gowrie-galleries.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 6:23 AM Subject: [MapHist] Nieu-Nederland > L.s. > > A few weeks ago a copy of Matthaeus Greuter's 49 cm-terrestrial globe > (Rome 1632) came into the commercial market. From several references we > know that Greutner (1556-1638) largely borrowed the cartographic and > decorative imagery of his first terrestrial globe from that of Willem > Jansz. Blaeu. One novelty of Greutner's globe however is the addition of > the name "Nieu Nederland" along the coast of the present United States. > > I was wondering if someone has a suggestion from what specific > cartographic or literary source(s) Greutner derived this interesting > addendum? > > Paul van den Brink > Explokart Research Team > University of Utrecht > The Netherlands > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:11:38 -0800 From: "Duane F. Marble" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] SCIENCE Review of Kirsten Seaver's book X-Spam-Rating: mail.oregonfast.net 0/1/N X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl A review by William Fitzhugh of Kirsten Seaver's "Maps, Myths and Men: The Story of the Vinland Map" is contained in the 4 March 2005 issue of SCIENCE. If you do not have access to SCIENCE, I will be happy to email a PDF copy upon request. -- Dr. Duane F. Marble Email: marble.1@osu.edu 2226 Primrose Lane Telephone: (541) 902-8837 Florence, OR 97439 Cell: (541) 991-1730 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:17:50 -0500 From: Ed Bradford User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0RC1 (Windows/20041201) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Map thefts X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl With high precision digitization, why does one need to see an actual map? It seems like after digitization, they should be locked away. A follow on question is if a map is digitized and it's older than 1923, why should a library keep people from freely copying it? Are libraries trying to make money? Perhaps if it is published in part or whole, a fee should be paid, but simply to look at it or download it seems like what a library is supposed to do for people, no? Also, has any research been done on using RFID to keep maps in a library or better still, in the map room? Ed Bradford _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vladimir@mbox.iuav.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:42:12 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Valerio Valdimiro Subject: Re: [MapHist] Nieu-Nederland X-IUAV-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-IUAV-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: vladimir@iuav.it X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Yes please,I will be happy in receiving copy of your research on Greuter. Have you seen what says about Greuter's Globes Matteo Fiorini? With the best of wishes, Vladimiro WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Vladimiro Valerio Office: Dipartimento di Storia della Architettura San Polo 2468 - Palazzo Badoer 30125 Venezia tel. +39 041 2571418 e-mail vladimir@iuav.it home: Via R. Morghen, 88 80129 Napoli tel. & fax +39 081 5568952 mobile 335 403807 WWWWWWWWW PER ASPERA AD ASTRA WWWWWWWWW At 14.05 15/03/05 +1100, you wrote: >Paul, > >It may well be that author of the addition was not Greuter himself. > >I have recently catalogued a 26.5 cms Greuter globe dated 1638, the year >that he died. As you know, there is very little information on Greuter and >in fact, not many of his globes are known. Furthermore, the example I >researched was at the time known only in one other example, that mentioned >by Stevenson and belonging to the Hispanic Society of America. > >Of note is that although the original 1638 date was maintained on the >imprint, Giovannia Battista Rossi's imprint was now included. Rossi took >over the production of Greuter's globes in 1638, the year that the latter >died. > >Furthermore, although the 1638 date is maintained, Rossi has modified the >original engraving to include a remarkably updated depiction of all five >Great Lakes, but has also added the name 'N.Amsterdam', the original name >for New York. It would appear that the source for Rossi's amendments was >Sanson's '1650 Amerique Septentrionale'. > >I have noted a further 1638 example of Greuter's 26.5 cm globe, identified >by Peter Van der Krogt ('Old Globed in the Netherlands' 1984) and held by >the Maritime Museum in Rotterdam. This example has Rossi's imprint and the >1638 date, and is identical to ours except in the additions I have >previously mentioned and other changes I mention in my catalogue. In other >words, it still shows the geography of Greuter's 1632 globe. > >Please contact me privately if you would like a copy of my research. > >Simon Dewez >maps@sydney.net >Gowrie Galleries >316 Oxford St >Woollahra 2025 >NSW >Australia >gowrie-galleries.com.au >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 6:23 AM >Subject: [MapHist] Nieu-Nederland > > >> L.s. >> >> A few weeks ago a copy of Matthaeus Greuter's 49 cm-terrestrial globe >> (Rome 1632) came into the commercial market. From several references we >> know that Greutner (1556-1638) largely borrowed the cartographic and >> decorative imagery of his first terrestrial globe from that of Willem >> Jansz. Blaeu. One novelty of Greutner's globe however is the addition of >> the name "Nieu Nederland" along the coast of the present United States. >> >> I was wondering if someone has a suggestion from what specific >> cartographic or literary source(s) Greutner derived this interesting >> addendum? >> >> Paul van den Brink >> Explokart Research Team >> University of Utrecht >> The Netherlands >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________________________ >> MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >> hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >> the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >> Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >> the views of the author. >> List Information: http://www.maphist.info >> > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info > cdsaf e3 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Jřrgen D. Siemonsen To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] SCIENCE Review of Kirsten Seaver's book Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:46:14 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.199.162.204] using ID 120010085300 at Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:46:20 +0100 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl yes pls plp@mail.tele.dk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane F. Marble" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:11 AM Subject: [MapHist] SCIENCE Review of Kirsten Seaver's book >A review by William Fitzhugh of Kirsten Seaver's "Maps, Myths and Men: > The Story of the > Vinland Map" is contained in the 4 March 2005 issue of SCIENCE. If you > do not have access > to SCIENCE, I will be happy to email a PDF copy upon request. > > -- > Dr. Duane F. Marble Email: marble.1@osu.edu > 2226 Primrose Lane Telephone: (541) 902-8837 > Florence, OR 97439 Cell: (541) 991-1730 > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Philippe Foręt Subject: Re: [MapHist] SCIENCE Review of Kirsten Seaver's book Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:17:16 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Greetings to all, The full references are: William W. Fitzhugh, "A Saga of Wormholes and Anatase. A review," _Science_, Vol 307, Issue 5714, 1413-1414 , 4 March 20050000,0000,CCC5. Kirsten A. Seaver, _Maps, Myths, and Men The Story of the Vinland Map _, Stanford University Press, Palo Alto, CA, 2004. 504 pp. $65, Ł44.50. ISBN 0-8047-4962-0. Paper, $24.95, Ł17.50. ISBN: 0-8047-4963-9. Best regards, Philippe Foręt A review by William Fitzhugh of Kirsten Seaver's "Maps, Myths and Men: The Story of the Vinland Map" is contained in the 4 March 2005 issue of SCIENCE. If you do not have access to SCIENCE, I will be happy to email a PDF copy upon request. -- Dr. Duane F. Marble Email: marble.1@osu.edu 2226 Primrose Lane Telephone: (541) 902-8837 Florence, OR 97439 Cell: (541) 991-1730 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Philippe Foręt, Ph.D. Researcher, Institute of Cartography Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Zurich ETH-Hönggerberg, 8093 Zürich, Switzerland http://www.karto.ethz.ch/ Phone: +41 1 311 2757 (direct) Email: pforet@bluewin.ch X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Survey of Palestine To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 From: ahudson@nypl.org Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:39:02 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on MHTMAIL02/MHT/Nypl(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 03/15/2005 06:39:04 PM X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl What is the correct title of the book? Not the same in email and on website. isbn available? Alice C. Hudson Chief, Map Division The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library 5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117 New York, NY 10018-2788 ------> [Room 121, February - December 2005] ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027 http://nypl.org/research/chss/map/map.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit. - Nelson Henderson _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:34:32 +0100 (CET) Subject: [MapHist] New developments Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht From: "Marco van Egmond" To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Maphisters, I am pleased to announce some new developments concerning the map library of the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. Since September 2004, the map library of the Faculty of Geosciences has moved across the street to the new building of the University Library Utrecht. This building also contains the general library, and the library of Geosciences. The atlas collection of the general library in the centre of the city has also moved out to the new library. The new building will officially be opened on Thursday 17th of March 2005. The former location of the map library of the Faculty of Geosciences in the Van Unnik building did no longer suit the requirements, amongst other things due to the lack of space. In the new map room there is now more space available to expand the collection. Furthermore, the collection has been made more user-friendly and accessible to the public. Some innovative projects aim to make the map room even more attractive to map-enthusiasts in the near future. One of these projects includes the addition of the cartographic collection to the university digital catalogue. The cartographic material will also be digitized and put on the web. At the moment, one can find seventy of our rare maps on the cumulative website ‘Gedigitaliseerde kaarten’ (http://kaarten.library.uu.nl). These maps were part of the exhibition Tooneel des Aerdrijcx, held in 1983. The digitized maps are annotated (still in Dutch) and can be viewed in detail by the use of advanced software (MrSID). In the last two years there have also been changes in the composition of the staff of the map library. Ineke Harms, assistant map curator, retired in 2003. In 2005 Marco van Egmond took over the position of the map curator, Roelof Oddens. Roelof however continues to be active as a map curator in the map library. The map room is located on the sixth floor of the University Library Utrecht. Visiting address: 3 Heidelberglaan 3584 CS Utrecht Snail mail address: P.O. Box 80.124 3508 TC Utrecht Netherlands Tel.: (+31) 30-2534401 or (+31) 30-2535156 Websites: kaartenzaal.geog.uu.nl/ (map library) oddens.geog.uu.nl/index.php (Oddens’ Bookmarks) Opening hours: Monday till Friday, 9.00 pm.-5.00 am. ************************************************* Drs. M. van Egmond Map curator map library Faculty of Geosciences University Library Utrecht Heidelberglaan 3 3584 CS UTRECHT Netherlands Tel.: (+31) 30-2534401/2535156 ************************************************* _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:30:36 -0600 From: "Judith A. Leimer" Subject: [MapHist] Woodward Memorial Fellowship X-Sender: jaleimer@wiscmail.wisc.edu To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 X-Spam-PmxInfo: Server=avs-6, Version=4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.3.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.3.16.9, SenderIP=[144.92.235.191] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
David Woodward Memorial Fellowship, 2005-2006
Institute for Research in the Humanities
University of Wisconsin--Madison

Applications are solicited for an annual two-month memorial fellowship in honor of David Woodward, a founding editor of the HIstory of Cartography Project. The fellowship is made possible by the generosity of Arthur and Janet Holzheimer. The fellow chosen for the 2005-2006 academic year will focus on the period 1640-1800, the European Enlightenment, with research appropriate for Volume Four of the History of Cartography. The two-month residence, taken at any time between July 2005 and June 2006, will be at the University of Wisconin-Madison Institute for Research in the Humanities. The stipend is $3,500 per month for two months.

For general information about the fellowship, visit http://www.geography.wisc.edu/histcart/#employ. For information on how to apply, please contact Loretta Freiling, Institute for Research in the Humanities, 1401 Observatory Drive, University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI 53706. FAX: 608-265-4173. Email: freiling@wisc.edu.

The deadline for completed applications for the 2005-2006 Fellowship has been extended to 18 April 2005.
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:43:30 -0500 From: "Philip C. Brown" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: ja, en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl, "Philip C. Brown" Subject: [MapHist] Request re: Digital, georeferenced maps of 15th Century London X-CanItPRO-Stream: outbound X-Spam-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear Colleagues, I hope you will indulge a somewhat off-topic request. A medievaliest colleague in my department (History), is doing research on 15th century London, in particular looking at a variety of incidents that appear in court records. My colleague would like to be able to plot locations (street intersections) in a GIS data base for analysis. Does anyone know of readily available digital, georeferenced maps of 15th century London? (My colleague has done considerable research on London in the past and has suggested that the poorer sections of the city in which she is interested underwent little change during the century, but if multiple, dated images are available, I would at least like to supply them for comparison.) Thanks very much in advance for your assistance. Phil Brown The Ohio State University _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "matt champion" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] Request re: Digital, georeferenced maps of 15th Century London Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 07:33:46 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Finding georeferenced maps of 15th century London won't be easy. I suggest you contact the Museum of London who have done some very interesting and unusual things with the early maps of the city - including using scans to produce overlays that can be morphed onto the OS grid. Regards Matthew J. Champion -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] On Behalf Of Philip C. Brown Sent: 18 March 2005 20:44 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl; Philip C. Brown Subject: [MapHist] Request re: Digital, georeferenced maps of 15th Century London Dear Colleagues, I hope you will indulge a somewhat off-topic request. A medievaliest colleague in my department (History), is doing research on 15th century London, in particular looking at a variety of incidents that appear in court records. My colleague would like to be able to plot locations (street intersections) in a GIS data base for analysis. Does anyone know of readily available digital, georeferenced maps of 15th century London? (My colleague has done considerable research on London in the past and has suggested that the poorer sections of the city in which she is interested underwent little change during the century, but if multiple, dated images are available, I would at least like to supply them for comparison.) Thanks very much in advance for your assistance. Phil Brown The Ohio State University _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Request re: Digital, georeferenced maps of 15th Ce ntury London Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:17:48 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Gentlemen, In addition to Matt Champion's pointing towards Museum of London I have just forwarded this request and response to John Fisher, Prints & Maps Department, Guildhall Library. It is also possible (Peter Barber may react herewith) that something is already available - or may be under preparation - based upon Crace Collection or other historical London materials in the British Library. Have you checked BL website? Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps) f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections' - including some online catalogues] -----Original Message----- From: matt champion [mailto:timescape@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 19 March 2005 07:34 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Request re: Digital, georeferenced maps of 15th Century London Finding georeferenced maps of 15th century London won't be easy. I suggest you contact the Museum of London who have done some very interesting and unusual things with the early maps of the city - including using scans to produce overlays that can be morphed onto the OS grid. Regards Matthew J. Champion -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] On Behalf Of Philip C. Brown Sent: 18 March 2005 20:44 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl; Philip C. Brown Subject: [MapHist] Request re: Digital, georeferenced maps of 15th Century London Dear Colleagues, I hope you will indulge a somewhat off-topic request. A medievaliest colleague in my department (History), is doing research on 15th century London, in particular looking at a variety of incidents that appear in court records. My colleague would like to be able to plot locations (street intersections) in a GIS data base for analysis. Does anyone know of readily available digital, georeferenced maps of 15th century London? (My colleague has done considerable research on London in the past and has suggested that the poorer sections of the city in which she is interested underwent little change during the century, but if multiple, dated images are available, I would at least like to supply them for comparison.) Thanks very much in advance for your assistance. Phil Brown The Ohio State University _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "matt champion" To: Subject: [MapHist] Faden's map of Norfolk - digitally remastered Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:32:05 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Today I came across something that I thought might be of interest to the whole list. A local retired doctor has taken Faden's original map of Norfolk (1797) and digitally re-mastered the whole set. Scanning from originals he has 'cleaned up' the maps and turned them into 'COLOUR' maps. The commons have been coloured buff, the estates red, the woodlands green and the rivers blue. The results are stunning. Suddenly you can easily see just how much common land Norfolk had prior to the 19th century spate of enclosures. He is already offering the maps for sale (six sheets each measuring 34 inches by 34 inches) and plans to release it all on DVD. Further information can be found on his web site www.fadensmapofnorfolk.co.uk Or by contacting Andrew Macnair direct on 01362 683372 On a similar line - has anyone done this on a regular or commercial basis for other early maps? Regards Matt Champion _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: FW: [MapHist] Request re: Digital, georeferenced maps of 15th Ce ntury London Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:20:40 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Gentlemen (again - and Ladies): Herewith response from John Fisher that he suggested I pass on to you - "Maybe also try the Centre for Metropolitan History in the Institute for Historical Research. (Prof Derek Keene is a good conrtact.) I'll leave you to pass this on to the person(s) concerned!" It's also a good idea - when making contact with someone - to alert them to other similar projects (this may save duplication of effort and money). Francis Herbert f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections'] -----Original Message----- From: Francis Herbert Sent: 21 March 2005 09:18 To: 'maphist@geog.uu.nl' Subject: RE: [MapHist] Request re: Digital, georeferenced maps of 15th Century London Gentlemen, In addition to Matt Champion's pointing towards Museum of London I have just forwarded this request and response to John Fisher, Prints & Maps Department, Guildhall Library. It is also possible (Peter Barber may react herewith) that something is already available - or may be under preparation - based upon Crace Collection or other historical London materials in the British Library. Have you checked BL website? Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps) f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections' - including some online catalogues] -----Original Message----- From: matt champion [mailto:timescape@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 19 March 2005 07:34 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Request re: Digital, georeferenced maps of 15th Century London Finding georeferenced maps of 15th century London won't be easy. I suggest you contact the Museum of London who have done some very interesting and unusual things with the early maps of the city - including using scans to produce overlays that can be morphed onto the OS grid. Regards Matthew J. Champion -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] On Behalf Of Philip C. Brown Sent: 18 March 2005 20:44 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl; Philip C. Brown Subject: [MapHist] Request re: Digital, georeferenced maps of 15th Century London Dear Colleagues, I hope you will indulge a somewhat off-topic request. A medievaliest colleague in my department (History), is doing research on 15th century London, in particular looking at a variety of incidents that appear in court records. My colleague would like to be able to plot locations (street intersections) in a GIS data base for analysis. Does anyone know of readily available digital, georeferenced maps of 15th century London? (My colleague has done considerable research on London in the past and has suggested that the poorer sections of the city in which she is interested underwent little change during the century, but if multiple, dated images are available, I would at least like to supply them for comparison.) Thanks very much in advance for your assistance. Phil Brown The Ohio State University _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Request re: Digital, georeferenced maps of 15th Ce ntury London To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 From: ahudson@nypl.org Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:47:26 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on MHTMAIL02/MHT/Nypl(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 03/21/2005 10:47:28 AM X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Ahhh, and do any of these potential digital treasures include Wapping, an area of particular interest to me, because of John Seller and the general nautical nature of the area... Alice C. Hudson Chief, Map Division The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library 5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117 New York, NY 10018-2788 ------> [Room 121, February - December 2005] ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027 http://nypl.org/research/chss/map/map.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit. - Nelson Henderson _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:48:12 -0500 From: jsk@gamewood.net Subject: [MapHist] Future of Libraries To: MapHist X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl See . You may need your library's access to get into the article "2015- The Future of Medical Libraries", but the perspective is interesting, and may have some premonitions for other types of libraries as well. Just thought I'd pass it along for those who have access. Joel Kovarsky _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "tony campbell" To: "*MapHist" , "*Lismaps" Subject: [MapHist] Final talks in this season's 'Maps and Society' series Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:55:14 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl N.B. Please note the change in the subject and title of Professor Daniels's lecture on May 5th ************************* 'MAPS AND SOCIETY' The Warburg Institute Fourteenth Series: 2004-2005 ************************* Lectures in the history of cartography convened by Catherine Delano Smith (Institute of Historical Research) and Tony Campbell (formerly Map Library, British Library). Meetings are held on selected Thursdays at The Warburg Institute, University of London,Woburn Square, London WC1H OAB at 5.00 pm. Admission is free. Meetings are followed by refreshments. All are most welcome. Enquiries: +44 (0) 20 8346 5112 (Dr Delano Smith) or < t.campbell@ockendon.clara.co.uk >. Final talks in this season's series -------------------------------- April 14. Surekha Davies (The British Library Map Collections and The Warburg Institute) The Vomiting Giant and Other Stories: First Steps among the Monstrous Peoples on Maps of America c. 1506-1648. May 5. Professor Stephen Daniels (Department of Geography, University of Nottingham) Map-work: Paul Sandby (1731-1809), paper making and the topographical tradition. [NB. This is a change from the earlier title: Maps and Education in Georgian England.] May 26. Lindsay Braun (Department of History, Rutgers University, U.S.A.) 'A portion of our country comparatively unknown': Fred Jeppe, the Zoutpansberg, and the Cartography of the Transvaal, 1867-1899. -------------------------------------------------------------- This programme has been made possible through the generous sponsorship of The International Map Collectors' Society, Jonathan Potter of Jonathan Potter Ltd., and Laurence Worms of Ash Rare Books. Each lecture is accompanied by a display, at the Royal Geographical Society, Kensington, arranged by Francis Herbert, Hon FRGS. -------------------------------------------------------------- The web version of the programme < http://www.maphistory.info/warburgprog.html > can be bookmarked, as it will always contain the current details. For a comprehensive list of talks and meetings in the history of cartography, see John Docktor's 'Calendar' < http://home.earthlink.net/~docktor/index.htm > -------------------------------------------------------------- Tony Campbell -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18/03/2005 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] Odd bits Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:04:01 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0511-1, 03/17/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl It's too late this year, but for St. Patrick's Day map collections could display Irish maps, the centerpiece, if a library has it, might be MEMORIAL ATLAS OF IRELAND (Philadelphia: Richards, 1901). For 1 April, odd maps might be in order like the other side of the Moon from ATLAS OF FANTASY or maybe an illustration of ships sailing off the edge of the world. JBP _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-IronPort-AV: i="3.91,111,1110171600"; d="scan'208"; a="15193735:sNHT29545184" From: "Charles Burroughs" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] Odd bits Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:26:24 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Or for April Fool's, how about Jean Janvier's 1762 map of North America (L'AMERIQUE Sep...) for a look at "Fantasy Land?" CAB -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl]On Behalf Of J.B. Post Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:04 AM To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Odd bits It's too late this year, but for St. Patrick's Day map collections could display Irish maps, the centerpiece, if a library has it, might be MEMORIAL ATLAS OF IRELAND (Philadelphia: Richards, 1901). For 1 April, odd maps might be in order like the other side of the Moon from ATLAS OF FANTASY or maybe an illustration of ships sailing off the edge of the world. JBP _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:25:05 -0500 From: strebe@aol.com Cc: dshackleford@houston.rr.com X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.11984 Subject: [MapHist] Re: visscher world 1657 - Orbis Terrarum Typus... To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.208 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Don: I'm going to be presumptuous in assuming I qualify as a 'map dude'. I don't know why you would disqualify map dudesses from responding, but that's none of my affair. Which text do you mean? There is text all over the map. Regards, daan Strebe -----Original Message----- From: D Shack To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Sent: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:10:04 -0800 Subject: [MapHist] visscher world 1657 - Orbis Terrarum Typus... hey map dudes,    I've seen several images in the net of this map, but I have never seen a copy on which the text is distinguishable. does anyone know what the exact text reads, and where I might be able to see view this text. I would really appreciate any info regarding this map.    Thanks in advance    Don    _______________________________________________________________  MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography  hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht.  The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of  the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of  Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for  the views of the author.  List Information: http://www.maphist.info  _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] Landscape drawings & maps Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:56:20 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0512-0, 03/22/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Is there a currently accepted term for those landscape paintings which had the view in the foreground,but which faded off into maps in the background? There was a issue of the old MAP COLLECTORS' CIRCLE which featured them, though not the best quality reproductions. JBP _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:10:04 -0800 From: D Shack User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] visscher world 1657 - Orbis Terrarum Typus... X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl hey map dudes, I've seen several images in the net of this map, but I have never seen a copy on which the text is distinguishable. does anyone know what the exact text reads, and where I might be able to see view this text. I would really appreciate any info regarding this map. Thanks in advance Don _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Strebe@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:14:33 EST Subject: [MapHist] Re: visscher world 1657 - Orbis Terrarum Typus... To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Cc: dshackleford@houston.rr.com X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
Don,

The text referring to the discovery of America reads:

"America primum detecta a Christophoro Colombo,
anno. 1492: at ab Americo Vesputio latius retecta
a<o>. 1499: deg., suo nomine eani dicit: hinc a<o>. 1520. a
Ferdinando Magellano, Fretum quod de nomine suo,
Megallanicum dictum, trajectum est: Idem prestite=
runt Franciscus Draco a<o>. 1579. Tomas Candisch ann.
1587: Oliverius a Nort. a<o>. 1600. Sebaldus de Weert:
a<o>. 1600. Georgius Spilbergh: a<o>. 1615. Commodius
vero et titius fretum deprehensum anno 1616 il Iaco:
bo le Mayre, quid et ab ipsius nomine dictum, fre:
tum le Mayre.


The text annotating the Copernican model reads:

"Genuinum Mundi Systema Secundum N. Copernici hypothesin."


The text annotating the Ptolemaeic model reads:

"Systema Mundi juxta mentem Claudii Ptolemaei Alexand."


Would I be too provincial in recommending "Dear colleagues" or somesuch as a salutation? It is, after all, quite devoid of gender, and each term even translates reasonably, an important consideration when one considers that the audience is dominated by those outside of Texas.

Regards,
daan Strebe


In a message dated 3/22/05 7:04:51 PM, dshackleford@houston.rr.com writes:

Daan,
my apologies,
These days I am not really sure what proper address is. When I was a kid  the suffixes "ette", and "ess" were acceptable. But, that seems not to be the case anymore.
I'll try to dig myself out of this hole by saying "map dude" is all-inclusive... kinda like in the military, where "Sir" is a genderless address these days. :-!

I was referring to the block of text in the lower left hemisphere. I've read that it refers to the discovery of America, and so forth. I am also curious about the text in the top and bottom intersections of the two hemispheres.



X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:15:32 -0800 From: D Shack User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Re: visscher world 1657 - Orbis Terrarum Typus... X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Daan, my apologies, These days I am not realy sure what propper address is. When Iwas a kid the suffixes "ette", and "ess" were acceptable. But, that sems not to be the case anymore. I'll try to dig myself out of this hole by saying "map dude" is all-inclusive... kinda like in the military, where "Sir" is a genderless address these days. :-! I was referring to the block of text in the lower left hemisphere. I've read that it refers to the discovery of America, and so forth. I am also curious about the text in the top and bottom intersections of the two hemispheres. strebe@aol.com wrote: > > Don: > > I'm going to be presumptuous in assuming I qualify as a 'map dude'. I > don't know why you would disqualify map dudesses from responding, but > that's none of my affair. > > Which text do you mean? There is text all over the map. > > Regards, > daan Strebe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: D Shack > To: maphist@geog.uu.nl > Sent: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:10:04 -0800 > Subject: [MapHist] visscher world 1657 - Orbis Terrarum Typus... > > hey map dudes, > > I've seen several images in the net of this map, but I have never > seen a copy on which the text is distinguishable. does anyone know > what the exact text reads, and where I might be able to see view this > text. I would really appreciate any info regarding this map. > > Thanks in advance > > Don > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:49:42 -0800 From: D Shack User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Strebe@aol.com Cc: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Re: visscher world 1657 - Orbis Terrarum Typus... X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Thanks you so much Daan,

This has been a tremendous help I real,l really appreciate your time.

I'll definately be more considerate in my greetings. Maybe i'll throw in the ocasional "Howdy, y'all" 8^D


Once again, thank you for all of your help



Strebe@aol.com wrote:

Don,

The text referring to the discovery of America reads:

"America primum detecta a Christophoro Colombo,
anno. 1492: at ab Americo Vesputio latius retecta
a<o>. 1499: deg., suo nomine eani dicit: hinc a<o>. 1520. a
Ferdinando Magellano, Fretum quod de nomine suo,
Megallanicum dictum, trajectum est: Idem prestite=
runt Franciscus Draco a<o>. 1579. Tomas Candisch ann.
1587: Oliverius a Nort. a<o>. 1600. Sebaldus de Weert:
a<o>. 1600. Georgius Spilbergh: a<o>. 1615. Commodius
vero et titius fretum deprehensum anno 1616 il Iaco:
bo le Mayre, quid et ab ipsius nomine dictum, fre:
tum le Mayre.


The text annotating the Copernican model reads:

"Genuinum Mundi Systema Secundum N. Copernici hypothesin."


The text annotating the Ptolemaeic model reads:

"Systema Mundi juxta mentem Claudii Ptolemaei Alexand."


Would I be too provincial in recommending "Dear colleagues" or somesuch as a salutation? It is, after all, quite devoid of gender, and each term even translates reasonably, an important consideration when one considers that the audience is dominated by those outside of Texas.

Regards,
daan Strebe


In a message dated 3/22/05 7:04:51 PM, dshackleford@houston.rr.com writes:

Daan,
my apologies,
These days I am not really sure what proper address is. When I was a kid  the suffixes "ette", and "ess" were acceptable. But, that seems not to be the case anymore.
I'll try to dig myself out of this hole by saying "map dude" is all-inclusive... kinda like in the military, where "Sir" is a genderless address these days. :-!

I was referring to the block of text in the lower left hemisphere. I've read that it refers to the discovery of America, and so forth. I am also curious about the text in the top and bottom intersections of the two hemispheres.




X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:09:59 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] 1700s hand painted lithograph map of Paris, France Cc: mjchipshot@msn.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from ["B. H MCLAUGHLIN" ] Subject: 1700s hand painted lithograph map of Paris, France Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:29:33 -0700 Hello from Green Valley, Arizona USA ... I have recently purchased , what appears to be, a lithographed painting (= print) of Paris, France in the 1700s. All buildings and cathedrals are n= umbered and referred to corresponding numbers on the left and bottom of t= he painting. There is a number 39 in the center of the lower portion of = the painting. There is a wall around Paris and a lovely carriage being p= ulled by six horses approaching the city. Elegant horsemen accompany the= carriage with three-cornered hats. There are also other horsemen enteri= ng the city on the opposite side. All of the outlying areas are numbered= and shown in the handwritten index at left and lower portion of picture.= There are windmills on either side of the city and there is a wall arou= nd the city. The painting is quite large. It is approximately 42x24 inc= hes. If I have given enough information, could you please tell me any other in= formation about this print? I have purchased the print as a wedding gift= for our granddaughter whose husband proposed marriage to her recently in= Paris. Thank you so very much for your time and interest. Sincerely, Judith McLaughlin 901 W. Calle Del Regalo Green Valley, AZ 85614 USA Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:41:52 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: RE: [MapHist] 1700s hand painted lithograph map of Paris, France X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Because this message was html-encoded, it became more than the maximum length for a message (20,000 characters) and was not distributed automatically. Peter. From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Cc: mjchipshot@msn.com Subject: RE: [MapHist] 1700s hand painted lithograph map of Paris, France Judith McLaughlin: You present a conundrum: no objective data such as title(s), or author(s) (surveyor, cartographer, engraver, printer, publisher, or seller). It is either a surmised lithograph (when such a technique was not introduced until very end of 18th century), or a 'painting', or a 'print'. And the size given is, presumably, height by width? Buildings and/or squares or streets were - to prevent 'noise' or overcrowding of detail - often given numbers on a map, and a numerical list giving the full names of these features is usually to be found in panels on either one side, or both sides, or three (left, bottom, & right) sides of a plan/map; to have a map with these panels on the left and at bottom is most unusual (are you sure your item is complete?). I have had a fairly quick look through Les plans de Paris des origines (1493) ŕ la fin du XVIIIe sičcle : étude, carto-bibliographie et catalogue collectif by Jean Boutier [et al.] (Paris : Bibliothčque nationale de France, 2002), 432p. : ill., ISBN 2-7177-2230-0 [that's the 'commercial' dealt with]. From each of the 370+ plans (with a miniaturised b&w image) I can detect nothing like your purchase. Perhaps Peter van der Krogt, our stalwart - and very patient - 'MapHist' webmaster would place an image of your object on the web? Then, surely, a colleague or two from Paris (France) would offer a more constructive answer to your problem. Dare one ask what information your dealer gave you about your purchase? Is it, in fact, a watercolour or oils artwork based on a print? Sincerely - and 'Worried' - from London, (Mr) Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG) f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections' - including some online catalogues] -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] Sent: 23 March 2005 08:10 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Cc: mjchipshot@msn.com Subject: [MapHist] 1700s hand painted lithograph map of Paris, France Non-member submission from ["B. H MCLAUGHLIN" ] Subject: 1700s hand painted lithograph map of Paris, France Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:29:33 -0700 Hello from Green Valley, Arizona USA ... I have recently purchased , what appears to be, a lithographed painting (= print) of Paris, France in the 1700s. All buildings and cathedrals are n= umbered and referred to corresponding numbers on the left and bottom of t= he painting. There is a number 39 in the center of the lower portion of = the painting. There is a wall around Paris and a lovely carriage being p= ulled by six horses approaching the city. Elegant horsemen accompany the= carriage with three-cornered hats. There are also other horsemen enteri= ng the city on the opposite side. All of the outlying areas are numbered= and shown in the handwritten index at left and lower portion of picture.= There are windmills on either side of the city and there is a wall arou= nd the city. The painting is quite large. It is approximately 42x24 inc= hes. If I have given enough information, could you please tell me any other in= formation about this print? I have purchased the print as a wedding gift= for our granddaughter whose husband proposed marriage to her recently in= Paris. Thank you so very much for your time and interest. Sincerely, Judith McLaughlin 901 W. Calle Del Regalo Green Valley, AZ 85614 USA Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52F8B.A7748C80-- Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: vladimir@mbox.iuav.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:12:28 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Valerio Valdimiro Subject: Re: [MapHist] 1700s hand painted lithograph map of Paris, France X-IUAV-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-IUAV-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: vladimir@iuav.it X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl There is something wrong in the querry. Lithography has been "invented" around 1798. It is quite difficult to find print before 1800, and the application of lithography in printing views and maps is around the first decade of the XIX century. Thus, either it is not a lithography, or it is not of XVIII century. Vladimiro At 09.09 23/03/05 +0100, you wrote: >Non-member submission from ["B. H MCLAUGHLIN" ] > >Subject: 1700s hand painted lithograph map of Paris, France >Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:29:33 -0700 > >Hello from Green Valley, Arizona USA ... > >I have recently purchased , what appears to be, a lithographed painting (= >print) of Paris, France in the 1700s. All buildings and cathedrals are n= >umbered and referred to corresponding numbers on the left and bottom of t= >he painting. There is a number 39 in the center of the lower portion of = >the painting. There is a wall around Paris and a lovely carriage being p= >ulled by six horses approaching the city. Elegant horsemen accompany the= > carriage with three-cornered hats. There are also other horsemen enteri= >ng the city on the opposite side. All of the outlying areas are numbered= > and shown in the handwritten index at left and lower portion of picture.= > There are windmills on either side of the city and there is a wall arou= >nd the city. The painting is quite large. It is approximately 42x24 inc= >hes. > >If I have given enough information, could you please tell me any other in= >formation about this print? I have purchased the print as a wedding gift= > for our granddaughter whose husband proposed marriage to her recently in= > Paris. > >Thank you so very much for your time and interest. > >Sincerely, >Judith McLaughlin >901 W. 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Do you know their provenance and dates? Bobbie > [Original Message] > From: J.B. Post > To: > Date: 3/23/2005 12:14:34 AM > Subject: [MapHist] Landscape drawings & maps > > Is there a currently accepted term for those landscape paintings which > had the view in the foreground,but which faded off into maps in the > background? There was a issue of the old MAP COLLECTORS' CIRCLE which > featured them, though not the best quality reproductions. > > JBP > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. 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List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] 1700s hand painted lithograph map of Paris, France Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:03:13 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

MapHist:

 

The enquirer has responded off-list to me, and I can extract or paraphrase a couple of her points -

 

1) She presently has the item at a framer - "not to reframe, but to replace the very brittle back paper and under that a piece of cardboard that is also brittle"; she will therefore take the opportunity to look for any of the data required by us 'MapHist' defectives (er..., sorry: *detectives*)

 

2) She will "stop by there today and try to get a picture and exact size."

 

3) The 'print' - as it is now described - was bought at an estate (property) sale, and nothing was told her about the item.

 

A picture of the item is promised; so, Peter: stand by!

 

Francis Herbert

f.herbert@rgs.org

http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections']

 

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fC1QiUUO0Jo6REHPaNXx16WvZu5y6DpQkJSX2KfpMGxR6MwzZS0bnQ== To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:04:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Landscape drawings & maps X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 From: Paul Boyd X-ContentStamp: 11:5:421233549 X-MAIL-INFO:228d40c1358d0991cd31b58991 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl JBP and all: Try this one (made up on spur of the moment): Mapscapes? How about a take-off on the old pre-cassette tape recorders?-- Real-to-unreal. Paul Boyd _________________ On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:56:20 -0500 "J.B. Post" writes: > Is there a currently accepted term for those landscape paintings > which > had the view in the foreground,but which faded off into maps in the > background? There was a issue of the old MAP COLLECTORS' CIRCLE > which > featured them, though not the best quality reproductions. > > JBP > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University > of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility > for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:48:37 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: List-owner MapHist Subject: [MapHist] List-owner's message: addresses removed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Because of error messages for a long time, the following e-mail addresses are removed from the maphist list: lisa.yayla@statped.no lsaegert@tsl.state.tx.us hprinz@attglobal.net The following address will soon be removed if error messages continue: ENTIM@mail.cityu.edu.hk ch5lo@aol.com plinio.gomes@iue.it If somebody knows the owner of (one of) these e-mail addresses, please inform him or her that they have to re-s*bscribe maphist with a working e-mail address. Thanks Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl Peter van der Krogt List-owner MapHist List-info: http://www.maphist.nl _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Jernej Sekolec" To: Subject: [MapHist] 17th c. geographical board-game Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:52:44 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
Dear Maphisters,

I am researching a 17th century board-game based on a world map which is
described in the book by Wolfgang Engelbert von Auersperg, Orbis lusus
pars prima, seu lusus geographicus, defensus ac demonstratus ab
illustrissiomo S.R.I. Comite Wolffgango Engelberto ab Auersperg in Alma
Universitate Graecensi. Praeside R.P. Matthia Kirchoffer, S.I. AA.LL. &
Phil. Doctore, ejusdemque Mathematices Professore ordinario. Anno 1659 Mense
Augusto. Graecii, Typis Francisci Widmanstadii. 254 pages.

Although the title indicates that this is part one only, no second part has
been published.

Wolfgang Engelbert III. von Auersperg (1610-1673) -- in addition to being
head of the government of the Province of Krain (Lat. Carniola or Carniolia,
today part of Slovenia) and having a number of other titles -- was an
erudite, promoter of art and science and a significant book collector.

The book, at least as far as I could ascertain, has remained rather unnoticed and
I could not find any reference to the game itself. No work dealing with
historic games that I have consulted refers to the game. The only reference known to me that goes
beyond merely noting the title of the book is in a 19th century bibliography
of books present in Carniolia (Bibliotheca Carnioliae, A. Dimitz, Laibach 1862), which states
that the author, i.e. Count Auersperg, on the occasion of his public lecture
(in publica sua disputatione) in the area of universal philosophy (ex
universa Philosophia), which he held in Ljubljana (in Academia Labacensi), presented
the book, which was to be distributed to those present (in praesentes
distribuendum commisit librum). As indicated by the title of the
book, the game was demonstrated and defended in August 1659 at the University of Graz
in Austria.

The book has three parts.  Part I gives a general and theoretical
description of the science of geography of the time and serves as an educational introduction to the game. Part II speaks of the
design of the map and the board as well as the pieces used in the
game (which are different similarly as in the game of chess). Part III desribes the rules of the game and gives
a catalogue of areas of the world which the players are to occupy or move to
in line with the complicated rules, which require considerable knowledge of
various aspects of geography.

I plan to decipher the rules of the game and, should there be interest, eventually offer a note about
it for publication in the IMCoS Journal.

Does anyone have any information about the book or the game?

Jernej Sekolec
Vienna, Austria
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Ashley Baynton-Williams" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] Landscape drawings & maps Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:16:33 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I think J.B. is referring to the following article (I will rely on Francis to correct my bibliographic errors): SCHRIRE, D. Bickhams’ birds eye county views and the British Monarchy including the North American Supplement reproduced in full. Map Collectors’ Series No.27, 1966 in Map Collectors’ Circle Vol.3 They are variously described as birds-eye or perspective views; as the second edition of the "maps", published by Laurie and Whittle in 1796, is entitled 'A curious collection of birds-eye views ...', that seems good enough for me. Ashley Baynton-Williams _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: lis-maps@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Cc: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Stone map Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:34:40 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

This information came to me around lunchtime today (Friday 24 March 2005)

 

"This is a bulletin for a press conference [. . .] saw it on the Press Association's forward planner of things coming up of media interest.

 

THURSDAY 31 MARCH, 12:00 LONDON: Exhibition of a stone carved UK map which will form part of paving in the British Memorial Garden in Hanover Square, New York, in tribute to British victims of 9/11. Grosvenor Square. Contact Juliette Hellman [44]020 870 8833."

 

PS: Sorry if this isn't really what 'MapHist' readers might expect - but Jerry Post, at least, will be an exception!

 

Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps)

f.herbert@rgs.org

http://www.rg.sorg [see 'Collections' - including some online catalogues]

 

 

X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Marco Piccardi" To: Subject: [MapHist] moving historical sites Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 04:03:08 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear All i am looking for books or experiences on the field dealing with moving historical sites. I dont drive trucks and i dont have a crane. My interest is in "safeguarding" the "inevitabile" demolition of historical sites caused by hard trasformation of portions of territory (highways, artificial lakes,railways and so on). Can you help me? -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18/03/2005 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.4.4011 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:30:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [MapHist] moving historical sites From: Helen Glazer To: Maphist X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl The American Association of Museums (AAM) has a mail-order bookstore with specialized titles related to running museums and historical sites. Perhaps you can find something there. http://www.aam-us.org ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř Helen Glazer, Creative Director George Glazer Gallery http://www.georgeglazer.com Antique Globes, Maps & Prints ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř ř On 3/24/05 10:03 PM, "Marco Piccardi" wrote: > Dear All > > i am looking for books or experiences on the field dealing with moving > historical sites. I dont drive trucks and i dont have a crane. My interest > is in "safeguarding" the "inevitabile" demolition of historical sites caused > by hard trasformation of portions of territory (highways, artificial > lakes,railways and so on). > > Can you help me? > > > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: Re: [MapHist] moving historical sites Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:36:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0512-1, 03/25/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl In my area of suburban Philadelphia, there have been many cases of both preservation and demolition of sites. As to moving a structure, the most spectacular successes (if moving a structure is a success) have been the relocation of the King of Prussia Inn to a site less than a mile away and converting the old inn into the offices of a local chamber of commerce. The other is half finished: the historic log barn has been dismantled, but not yet reconstructed. For information on that project, perhaps the Tredyffrin Historic Preservation Trust, Box 764, Devon, PA 19333-0764 might be able (and willing) so provide the tale of what they have done. Later today I may be able to get more information on the inn moving or at least further contacts. JBP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco Piccardi" To: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:03 PM Subject: [MapHist] moving historical sites > Dear All > > i am looking for books or experiences on the field dealing with moving > historical sites. I dont drive trucks and i dont have a crane. My interest > is in "safeguarding" the "inevitabile" demolition of historical sites caused > by hard trasformation of portions of territory (highways, artificial > lakes,railways and so on). > > Can you help me? > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18/03/2005 > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Howard Golden" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] moving historical sites Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:39:02 +0100 Organization: Terra Partners X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I know that here in Prague they moved a 17th century stone tower to make way for a bridge. They built a small railway to move this very heavy structure a few hundred meters. Likely you can find out about it on the internet. HIG -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] On Behalf Of J.B. Post Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:37 PM To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] moving historical sites In my area of suburban Philadelphia, there have been many cases of both preservation and demolition of sites. As to moving a structure, the most spectacular successes (if moving a structure is a success) have been the relocation of the King of Prussia Inn to a site less than a mile away and converting the old inn into the offices of a local chamber of commerce. The other is half finished: the historic log barn has been dismantled, but not yet reconstructed. For information on that project, perhaps the Tredyffrin Historic Preservation Trust, Box 764, Devon, PA 19333-0764 might be able (and willing) so provide the tale of what they have done. Later today I may be able to get more information on the inn moving or at least further contacts. JBP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco Piccardi" To: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:03 PM Subject: [MapHist] moving historical sites > Dear All > > i am looking for books or experiences on the field dealing with moving > historical sites. I dont drive trucks and i dont have a crane. My > interest is in "safeguarding" the "inevitabile" demolition of > historical sites caused > by hard trasformation of portions of territory (highways, artificial > lakes,railways and so on). > > Can you help me? > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18/03/2005 > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted > by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements > and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do > not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The > University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views > of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "B. Michael Beck" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] moving historical sites Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:10:44 +0200 Organization: Soprenco Services Ltd. X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl This is way beyond my area of expertise. But I know that in Romania (where I am based since some years) under the Communists they moved entire churches in a sort of rail system when Ceausescu decided a church was too much in prime location. Apparently they have been exporting this expertise, but I wouldn't have a clue how to find out. Maybe this helps. If you want me to dig further here, contact me off-list. Michael. SOPRENCO SERVICES Ltd. B. Michael Beck, Managing Partner. 1, Natiunile Unite Bd., Bl. 108A, Ap. A5 050121 Bucharest Romania. tel/fax: +40 21 3370042 gsm: +40 722 249777 michael@soprenco.com www.soprenco.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] On Behalf Of Marco Piccardi Sent: 25 March 2005 05:03 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] moving historical sites Dear All i am looking for books or experiences on the field dealing with moving historical sites. I dont drive trucks and i dont have a crane. My interest is in "safeguarding" the "inevitabile" demolition of historical sites caused by hard trasformation of portions of territory (highways, artificial lakes,railways and so on). Can you help me? -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18/03/2005 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Paul Hughes" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] moving historical sites Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:00:26 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Napoleon used a cannon to try and move the Sphynx. Paul Hughes. -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] On Behalf Of B. Michael Beck Sent: 25 March 2005 13:11 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] moving historical sites This is way beyond my area of expertise. But I know that in Romania (where I am based since some years) under the Communists they moved entire churches in a sort of rail system when Ceausescu decided a church was too much in prime location. Apparently they have been exporting this expertise, but I wouldn't have a clue how to find out. Maybe this helps. If you want me to dig further here, contact me off-list. Michael. SOPRENCO SERVICES Ltd. B. Michael Beck, Managing Partner. 1, Natiunile Unite Bd., Bl. 108A, Ap. A5 050121 Bucharest Romania. tel/fax: +40 21 3370042 gsm: +40 722 249777 michael@soprenco.com www.soprenco.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl] On Behalf Of Marco Piccardi Sent: 25 March 2005 05:03 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] moving historical sites Dear All i am looking for books or experiences on the field dealing with moving historical sites. I dont drive trucks and i dont have a crane. My interest is in "safeguarding" the "inevitabile" demolition of historical sites caused by hard trasformation of portions of territory (highways, artificial lakes,railways and so on). Can you help me? -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18/03/2005 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Nuno Rubim" To: Subject: [MapHist] Atlas-Miscelanea Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:52:54 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
In Portugaliae Monumenta Cartographica, Vol IV, p. 53, there a mention
to an Atlas-Miscelanea, by Manuel Godinho de Eredia, dated 1615-1622
and stating that in 1960 the Atlas belonged to a certain Dr.Carlos M.C.
Machado Figueira.
For some time I tried here in Portugal and  with no success, to find its
present location.
Perhaps it was sold or auctioned sometime in the past and leave the
country.
Does anyone ever came across a reference about it ?
Thanks
 
Nuno Rubim
Portugal
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] moving historical sites To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 From: ahudson@nypl.org Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:06:56 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on MHTMAIL02/MHT/Nypl(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 03/25/2005 12:06:58 PM X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl There was a good deal of print in the local NYC press when a historic theatre was moved, oh, 500 feet or so, from its original location. I believe it involved rails, and the move took weeks? moving the 8 story or so structure verrry slowly along the south side of 42nd Street toward 8th Avenue. This was probably 3 years ago. If the construction firm is named in the press, and you would have to research that, a phone call or two might generate quite a bit of info. Alice C. Hudson Chief, Map Division The Humanities and Social Sciences Library The New York Public Library 5th Avenue & 42nd Street, Room 117 New York, NY 10018-2788 ------> [Room 121, February - December 2005] ahudson@nypl.org; 212-930-0589; fax 212-930-0027 http://nypl.org/research/chss/map/map.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit. - Nelson Henderson _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:43:52 -0500 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: John Day Subject: Re: [MapHist] moving historical sites X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl A couple of years ago, the entire collection of the Kendall Whaling Museum was moved to New Bedford when the two museums merged. The collection ran the gamut from the tiniest and most fragile of pieces (paintings, logs, scrimshaw, maps, etc.) to a whaleboat (more fragile than you might think) and a steel claw for hauling whales up a slipway. Take care, John _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "James Speed Hensinger" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] moving historical sites Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:29:42 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUxYmpOyDDnKM1PRaKLwtIgFk0V7gABZpYg X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl And then there are the temples of Abu Simbel in Egypt that were moved at a cost of 36 million dollars in 1963 because of the construction of the Aswan High Dam. http://www.egypttourism.org/New%20Site/places/abu.htm James Speed Hensinger JHensinger@comcast.net Web: http://JHensinger.home.comcast.net/ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Strebe@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:47:32 EST Subject: [MapHist] Re: moving historical sites To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6808 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
In perhaps the most outlandish project of all, London Bridge got moved to Lake Havasu, Arizona. Without commenting on whether anything of historical value got "preserved", I will note you can find plenty of information about the bridge and its removal through a casual search of the World Wide Web.

Regards,
daan Strebe


> Dear All
>
> i am looking for books or experiences on the field dealing with moving
> historical sites. I dont drive trucks and i dont have a crane. My
> interest is in "safeguarding" the "inevitabile" demolition of
> historical sites
caused
> by hard trasformation of portions of territory (highways, artificial
> lakes,railways and so on).
>
> Can you help me?
>
>
>
>
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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Jacques Paris" To: Subject: RE: [MapHist] moving historical sites Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:52:12 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Will you include reconstructed "villages" from buildings drowned by flooding? An example: Upper Canada Village (Morrisburg, Ontario) is a collection of buildings from villages that were flooded during the construction of the Saint-Lawrence Seaway (inaugurated 1959) Jacques Paris -----Original Message----- From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl [mailto:owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl]On Behalf Of James Speed Hensinger Sent: 25-Mar-05 13:30 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] moving historical sites And then there are the temples of Abu Simbel in Egypt that were moved at a cost of 36 million dollars in 1963 because of the construction of the Aswan High Dam. http://www.egypttourism.org/New%20Site/places/abu.htm James Speed Hensinger JHensinger@comcast.net Web: http://JHensinger.home.comcast.net/ _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:03:25 -0500 From: jsk@gamewood.net Subject: [MapHist] moving historic buildings (sites) To: MapHist X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl A couple of general sites on the subject: Joel Kovarsky _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 22:11:12 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] RE:historical Home Counties for London X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from ["Woodfin, Tom" ] MapHisters: =20 In reading E.G.R. Taylor's 1947 article in the Economic History Review "The Surveyor", there is reference on p. 131 to Ralph Agas, best known for his map of Oxford. My question concerns Taylor's description that Agas "worked...chiefly in East Anglia and the Home Counties...". =20 I have tried to identify exactly which are the 'Home Counties'? It appears to be a commonly accepted geographic zone around the City and there is still reference to them in English tourism information on the Web. So far as I can tell, they consist of: =20 Bedfordshire, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire, and Surrey =20 =20 Do I have these correct? Missed any? I am interested in their beginnings, who identified or called them such initially and why. My interest is from their initial identification to mid-19th century. =20 I've not found a definition or historical explanation of how these counties came to be termed the Home Counties. A reference or references would be greatly appreciated. =20 =20 Tom Woodfin Thomas M. Woodfin, ASLA Assoc. Professor of Landscape Architecture =20 College of Architecture Texas A&M University College Station, TX 77843-3137 tel: 979-845-1079 fax: 979-862-1784 e: woodfin@tamu.edu=20 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 22:12:43 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] view of Genova X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from ["peter h. meurer" ] (subject added by list-owner) Dear all, you know such single gaps which are the bibliographer's nightmare. = DRUGULIN; Bilderatlas (1863), no. 319 mentions a view of Genova = (imp.fol. 3 sheets with text below) published by Jacob van der Heyden in = Strassburg in 1629. During 15 years of research, I have never come across with a copy. Does = anyone know a location?? Many thanks Peter H. Meurer _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 22:13:34 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: Re: [MapHist] Atlas-Miscelanea X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from ["Dana A. Freiburger" ] I have also tried to track down this collection to locate the 'View of the Port City of Cochim by Manuel Godinho de Er=C3=A9dia', from his Atlas Miscelanea de 1615-1622, fol. 100r. I asked this question to Maphist back in mid-2003 with no luck. If this material can be located, this would be very helpful as we would like to show the above map in Vol. 3 of the History of Cartography. Thanks in advance for any leads, hints, references, and/or other information. With regards, Dana --On Friday, March 25, 2005 3:52 PM +0000 Nuno Rubim=20 wrote: > > In Portugaliae Monumenta Cartographica, Vol IV, p. 53, there a mention > to an Atlas-Miscelanea, by Manuel Godinho de Eredia, dated 1615-1622 > and stating that in 1960 the Atlas belonged to a certain Dr.Carlos M.C. > Machado Figueira. > For some time I tried here in Portugal and with no success, to find its > present location. > Perhaps it was sold or auctioned sometime in the past and leave the > country. > Does anyone ever came across a reference about it ? > Thanks > > Nuno Rubim > Portugal Dana A. Freiburger Illustrations Editor History of Cartography Project 470 Science Hall 550 N. Park Street Madison, WI 53706-1491 U.S.A. phone: (608) 263-3992 fax: (608) 263-0762 email: hcart-illustrations@geography.wisc.edu _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 22:14:37 +0100 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: Re: [MapHist] moving historical sites X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Non-member submission from [Ricardo Padron ] You might enjoy the following article, available on the web, and with nice photographs: http://www.virginia.edu/insideuva/move.html The institution where I teach, the University of Virginia, was about to demolish an 1858 building, when it was discovered that the structure was one of the first buildings ever built to serve specifically as the infirmary of an American university. It has a unique ventilation system that was supposed to prevent the transmission of typhoid fever. So, the powers that be decided to move the building rather than tear it down. The article provides the name of the company contracted to do the work, Expert House Movers. I'm sure you could get in touch with them about other projects they've worked on. Best, Ricardo Ricardo Padron Associate Professor of Spanish Department of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese University of Virginia P.O. Box 400777 Charlottesville, VA 22904 padron@virginia.edu http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rp2d (434) 924-7543 (434) 924-7160 (fax) on 3/24/05 10:03 PM, Marco Piccardi at m.piccardi@tin.it wrote: > Dear All > > i am looking for books or experiences on the field dealing with moving > historical sites. I dont drive trucks and i dont have a crane. My interest > is in "safeguarding" the "inevitabile" demolition of historical sites caused > by hard trasformation of portions of territory (highways, artificial > lakes,railways and so on). > > Can you help me? > > > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "Marco Piccardi" To: Subject: [MapHist] moving historical sites (thanks) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:54:07 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Dear all i don't know if the rules of map hist permit tanking and then i thank all of you. Otherwise somebody reading the object of my e mail wil do its duty. It is uncommon to find people spending their time in answering question(be they specific or be they "bizzarre" and uncommon). I feel a little sence of fault in thinking that I never partecipate to solve your cartographic questions . It is true that in a great number of discussions I had nothing to add . And it is also true that sometimes my being "italian" with a strong catholic matrix help me in being very indulgent towards myself. The problem is that something tells me that i am writing to people mostly influenced by a calvinistic matrix.... Boh! Anyway "Is it all ? Nothing more about moving historical sites?" Ciao grazie ancora e a presto -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18/03/2005 _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 18:55:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [MapHist] moving historical sites From: Ricardo Padron To: "by way of List-owner MapHist " X-UVA-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at fork11.mail.virginia.edu X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hello. I am the original sender of this email, and I am indeed a member of MapHist, although I'm not sure which email address I am registered under. Could you change my membership to the address padron@virginia.edu? Best, Ricardo Ricardo Padron Associate Professor of Spanish Department of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese University of Virginia P.O. Box 400777 Charlottesville, VA 22904 padron@virginia.edu http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rp2d (434) 924-7543 (434) 924-7160 (fax) on 3/25/05 4:14 PM, by way of List-owner MapHist at owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl wrote: > Non-member submission from [Ricardo Padron ] > > > You might enjoy the following article, available on the web, and with nice > photographs: > > http://www.virginia.edu/insideuva/move.html > > The institution where I teach, the University of Virginia, was about to > demolish an 1858 building, when it was discovered that the structure was one > of the first buildings ever built to serve specifically as the infirmary of > an American university. It has a unique ventilation system that was > supposed to prevent the transmission of typhoid fever. So, the powers that > be decided to move the building rather than tear it down. > > The article provides the name of the company contracted to do the work, > Expert House Movers. I'm sure you could get in touch with them about other > projects they've worked on. > > Best, > > Ricardo > > > Ricardo Padron > Associate Professor of Spanish > Department of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese > University of Virginia > P.O. Box 400777 > Charlottesville, VA 22904 > padron@virginia.edu > http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rp2d > (434) 924-7543 > (434) 924-7160 (fax) > > > > > on 3/24/05 10:03 PM, Marco Piccardi at m.piccardi@tin.it wrote: > >> Dear All >> >> i am looking for books or experiences on the field dealing with moving >> historical sites. I dont drive trucks and i dont have a crane. My interest >> is in "safeguarding" the "inevitabile" demolition of historical sites caused >> by hard trasformation of portions of territory (highways, artificial >> lakes,railways and so on). >> >> Can you help me? >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] Moving historic structures Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:29:09 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0512-1, 03/25/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Information on moving the King of Prussia Inn is at http://www.internationalchimney.com/kingofprussia.htm . JBP _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 07:37:27 +0100 From: "M. Hauser" Organization: THE PAMIR ARCHIVE User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Re: [MapHist] moving historical sit es (thanks) (Révolution de la mer Cas piene) X-Loop-Detect:1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Hello! It's really fantastic how many answers (and how fast!) I may find on a "non-carto-historic" question here on "MapHist", but no answers to a real one I asked two weeks ago about some old french maps I have in my archive (Progress of knowledge about the Caspian sea). So please let me repeat the question again, in case you overlooked it! ;-) Thanks again! markus I was not able to find any source for this map series. Hope there is someone out there who might be able to help! Thanks in advance! markus Premiere révolution de la mer Caspiene ou Carte qui indique son Etendue vers le tems de la Population primitive de l'Asie http://www.pamir-adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Premiere%20r%E9volution_144.jpg Seconde révolution de la mer Caspiene ou Carte de Ptolemée http://www.pamir-adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Seconde%20r%E9volution_144.jpg Troisieme révolution de la mer Caspiene ou Carte d'Abdulfeda http://www.pamir-adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Troisieme%20r%E9volution_144.jpg Quatrieme révolution de la mer Caspiene ou Carte du Czar Pierre le Grand. Rectifiée par Mr. d'Anville http://www.pamir-adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Quatrieme%20r%E9volution_144.jpg Derniere révolution de la mer Caspiene_144.jpg http://www.pamir-adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Derniere%20r%E9volution_144.jpg -- THE PAMIR-ARCHIVE THE HISTORY OF EXPLORATION Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/pamirmountains OLD MAPS OF RUSSIAN ASIA Homepage: http://www.angelfire.com/nb/russianmaps/ markus hauser gutstrasse 7 8400 winterthur switzerland mailto:pamirmountains@yahoo.com _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:45:53 +0100 From: "Baarnhielm, Goran" Subject: [MapHist] Re: [MapHist] Révolution de la mer Caspienne To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002) X-Accept-Language: en X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I have been wondering myself at these maps, which are also at the Uppsala University Library, but without any clue as to their origin, and I suppose the absence of answers is because nobody really knows... You may have noted that they are found in the Opaline catalogue of the Bibliothčque Nationale de France, but without any explanation except that they belong to the Klaproth collection. This was put together by the "German Orientalist and explorer Heinrich Julius Klaproth (1783-1835) whose major work, Asia polyglotta nebst Sprachatlas (1823), is one of the important early surveys of Oriental languages" [Encycl. Brit.] and who lived in Paris since 1815. The maps are evidently of French origin and would seem to belong to some treatise in historical geography, so if you could find a survey of that field of scholarship, some clues might perhaps be found. Kind regards Göran Bäärnhielm ******************************************************************* Göran Bäärnhielm, Map Curator Kungl. biblioteket - The Royal Library - National Library of Sweden P.O. Box 5039, SE-102 41 Stockholm, Sweden Tel.: +46-8-463 4180. Fax: +46-8-463 4328. E-mail: goran.baarnhielm@kb.se ******************************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Hauser" Date: Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:37 am Subject: [MapHist] Re: [MapHist] moving historical sites (thanks) (Révolution de la mer Caspiene) > Hello! > It's really fantastic how many answers (and how fast!) I may find > on a "non-carto-historic" question > here on "MapHist", but no answers to a real one I asked two weeks > ago about some old french maps I > have in my archive (Progress of knowledge about the Caspian sea). > So please let me repeat the question again, in case you overlooked > it! ;-) > Thanks again! > markus > > > I was not able to find any source for this map series. Hope there > is someone out there who might be > able to help! > > Thanks in advance! > markus > > Premiere révolution de la mer Caspiene ou Carte qui indique son > Etendue vers le tems de la > Population primitive de l'Asie > http://www.pamir- > adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Premiere%20r%E9volution_144.jpg > Seconde révolution de la mer Caspiene ou Carte de Ptolemée > http://www.pamir- > adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Seconde%20r%E9volution_144.jpg > Troisieme révolution de la mer Caspiene ou Carte d'Abdulfeda > http://www.pamir- > adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Troisieme%20r%E9volution_144.jpg > Quatrieme révolution de la mer Caspiene ou Carte du Czar Pierre le > Grand. Rectifiée par Mr. d'Anville > http://www.pamir- > adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Quatrieme%20r%E9volution_144.jpg > Derniere révolution de la mer Caspiene_144.jpg > http://www.pamir- > adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Derniere%20r%E9volution_144.jpg > > > > -- > THE PAMIR-ARCHIVE > THE HISTORY OF EXPLORATION > Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/pamirmountains > OLD MAPS OF RUSSIAN ASIA > Homepage: http://www.angelfire.com/nb/russianmaps/ > > markus hauser > gutstrasse 7 > 8400 winterthur > switzerland > mailto:pamirmountains@yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any > responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Hillshaw@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:29:27 EST Subject: [MapHist] Home Counties To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10502 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl 'The Award Illustrated Dictionary' defines the Home Counties as "English counties surrounding London, esp Surrey, Kent, Essex, sometimes Hertfordshire, East and West Sussex". There may be two explanations for this geographical entity. First, this corresponds to the 'south-east' economic planning region, these regions have been used for example to define regional unemployment rates - regions have seen boundary changes quite often since the 1930s (maybe earlier) when first used for unemp etc statistics. Secondly i once read that diplomats from foreign embassies in London were not supposed to travel more than 70  miles radius from London, at least not without Uk govt permission - probably some early Cold War paranoia. This 70 mile radius would take in these 'Home Counties' [[though this 70 miles would also include Oxon and Bucks, and maybe Beds]], so maybe something to do with the 'Home Office'?

Hillary

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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Batavier1@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:40:10 EST Subject: Re: [MapHist] moving historical sites (To Historic New Amsterdam) To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5038 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
There seems to be a lot of interest on this page on removing historical structures.  We are looking for 17th, 18th and 19th-century (American) structures of Netherlandic-American design such as houses, barns, bridges etc.  for placement in the open-air museum park Historic New Amsterdam.  More can be learned from the site www.tolerancepark.org
 
The park's opening has been planned for September 11, 2009.  Any suggestions?
 
Joep de Koning
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:53:17 +0200 From: "Baarnhielm, Goran" Subject: [MapHist] Re: [MapHist] Révolution de la mer Caspienne - Klapr oth To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002) X-Accept-Language: en X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl PS There are a number of books by Klaproth himself which might be worthwhile looking into. Perhaps he has some references to those problematical maps. Reise in den Kaukasus und nach Georgien unternommen in den Jahren 1807 und 1808... Halle.., 1812-14. Geographisch-historische Beschreibung des östlichen Kaukasus zwischen den Flüssen Terek, Aragwi, Kur und dem Kaspischen Meere / Julius von Klaproth. - Weimar: Landes-Industrie-Comptoir, 1814 Tableaux historiques de l'Asie, depuis la monarchie de Cyrus jusque'ŕ nos jours, accompagnés de recherches historiques et ethnographiques sur cette partie du monde ... : Avec un atlas in-fol. Paris, 1826. Tableau historique, géographique, ethnographique, et politique du Caucase et des provinces limitrophes entre la Russie et la Perse. Paris, 1827. Kind regards Göran Bäärnhielm ******************************************************************* Göran Bäärnhielm, Map Curator Kungl. biblioteket - The Royal Library - National Library of Sweden P.O. Box 5039, SE-102 41 Stockholm, Sweden Tel.: +46-8-463 4180. Fax: +46-8-463 4328. E-mail: goran.baarnhielm@kb.se ******************************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Baarnhielm, Goran" Date: Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:45 pm Subject: [MapHist]Re: [MapHist] Révolution de la mer Caspienne > I have been wondering myself at these maps, which are also at the > Uppsala University Library, but without any clue as to their > origin, and I suppose the absence of answers is because nobody > really knows... You may have noted that they are found in the > Opaline catalogue of the Bibliothčque Nationale de France, but > without any explanation except that they belong to the Klaproth > collection. This was put together by the "German Orientalist and > explorer Heinrich Julius Klaproth (1783-1835) whose major work, > Asia polyglotta nebst Sprachatlas (1823), is one of the important > early surveys of Oriental languages" [Encycl. Brit.] and who lived > in Paris since 1815. The maps are evidently of French origin and > would seem to belong to some treatise in historical geography, so > if you could find a survey of that field of scholarship, some > clues might perhaps be found. > Kind regards > Göran Bäärnhielm > > ******************************************************************* > Göran Bäärnhielm, Map Curator > Kungl. biblioteket - The Royal Library - National Library of Sweden > P.O. Box 5039, SE-102 41 Stockholm, Sweden > Tel.: +46-8-463 4180. Fax: +46-8-463 4328. > E-mail: goran.baarnhielm@kb.se > > ******************************************************************* > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. Hauser" > Date: Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:37 am > Subject: [MapHist] Re: [MapHist] moving historical sites (thanks) > (Révolution de la mer Caspiene) > > > Hello! > > It's really fantastic how many answers (and how fast!) I may > find > > on a "non-carto-historic" question > > here on "MapHist", but no answers to a real one I asked two > weeks > > ago about some old french maps I > > have in my archive (Progress of knowledge about the Caspian sea). > > So please let me repeat the question again, in case you > overlooked > > it! ;-) > > Thanks again! > > markus > > > > > > I was not able to find any source for this map series. Hope > there > > is someone out there who might be > > able to help! > > > > Thanks in advance! > > markus > > > > Premiere révolution de la mer Caspiene ou Carte qui indique son > > Etendue vers le tems de la > > Population primitive de l'Asie > > http://www.pamir- > > > adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Premiere%20r%E9volution_144.jpg> Seconde révolution de la mer Caspiene ou Carte de Ptolemée > > http://www.pamir- > > > adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Seconde%20r%E9volution_144.jpg> Troisieme révolution de la mer Caspiene ou Carte d'Abdulfeda > > http://www.pamir- > > > adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Troisieme%20r%E9volution_144.jpg> Quatrieme révolution de la mer Caspiene ou Carte du Czar Pierre le > > Grand. Rectifiée par Mr. d'Anville > > http://www.pamir- > > > adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Quatrieme%20r%E9volution_144.jpg> Derniere révolution de la mer Caspiene_144.jpg > > http://www.pamir- > > > adventure.com/pamirarchive/18xx%20Serie%20Derniere%20r%E9volution_144.jpg> > > > > > > -- > > THE PAMIR-ARCHIVE > > THE HISTORY OF EXPLORATION > > Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/pamirmountains > > OLD MAPS OF RUSSIAN ASIA > > Homepage: http://www.angelfire.com/nb/russianmaps/ > > > > markus hauser > > gutstrasse 7 > > 8400 winterthur > > switzerland > > mailto:pamirmountains@yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the > University of > > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any > > responsibility for > > the views of the author. > > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any > responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.info > _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: "J.B. Post" To: Subject: [MapHist] Embroidered globes Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:20:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0512-2, 03/26/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Friday I was at the Chester County Historical Society and took the time to look at an exhibit - on time. Mostly clocks, but there was an orrery and a few maps. What stood out was a pair of globes, terrestrial and celestial, which were embroidered. The attribution was "Westtown School," a source of many enbroidered maps. CCHS is located at 225 North High St., West Chester, PA 19380. JBP _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:10:44 -0500 From: jckd30@aol.com X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.11984 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Embroidered globes To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.214 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl
Further to the message of Mr. Post, the Westtown globes are interesting because of their silk and canvas media and quite important given that they are among the very earliest American globes (the range of dates during which the Westtown globes were made begins before James Wilson of Vermont began making globes).
 
All the best,
Jaron Davis
 
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   Friday I was at the Chester County Historical Society and took the time to look at an exhibit - on time.  Mostly clocks, but there was an orrery and a few maps.  What stood out was a pair of globes, terrestrial and celestial, which were embroidered.  The attribution was "Westtown School," a source of many enbroidered maps.  CCHS is located at 225 North High St., West Chester, PA 19380.

                      JBP

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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.4.4011 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:14:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Embroidered globes From: Helen Glazer To: Maphist X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Re: [MapHist] Embroidered globes On 3/28/05 1:10 PM, "jckd30@aol.com" <jckd30@aol.com> wrote:

Further to the message of Mr. Post, the Westtown globes are interesting because of their silk and canvas media and quite important given that they are among the very earliest American globes (the range of dates during which the Westtown globes were made begins before James Wilson of Vermont began making globes).
 
As far as we know, they don’t predate Wilson globes and were not made of silk and canvas, but silk embroidery on silk fabric.

An example of one of these globes at Winterthur is shown and discussed in Degrees of Latitude, Mapping Colonial America.  That one is silk on silk and dated 1815.

See Margaret Beck Pritchard and Henry G. Taliaferro, Degrees of Latitude, Mapping Colonial America, The Colonial Williamsburg Foundation, Williamsburg, Virginia, and Harry N. Abrams, Inc., New York: 2002, Figure 36, pp. 44-45.

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X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: maphist15@mail.maphist.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:17:48 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl (by way of List-owner MapHist ) Subject: [MapHist] Embroidered Globes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl These two messages had illegal headers and were not distributed automatically. Peter. From: "Judith Tyner" Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:12:59 -0800 The globes were made at Westtown Friends School, which began at the end of the 18th century and is still in existence. The Westtown School archives has a fine collection of such globes. I must correct an error, however. Westtown students did not make embroidered maps--they made conventional maps on paper. They were, to the best of my knowledge the only school that made embroidered globes. I have several articles out on embroidered maps and globes in The Map Collector and Mercator's World. The most recent article on globes was in PieceWork Magazine Sept/Oct 2004. I am working on a book on embroidered maps and globes and their role in women's education in the period 1770-1840. There are some other museums that have embroidered globes, but because they are fragile don't get exhibited often. I have located 28 of the globes, both terrestrial and celestial dating from 1804 to 1844. I presented a paper at the North American Cartographic Information Society on schoolgirl maps of the type made at Westtown and am updating it for the Association of American Geographers meetings next week Judith Tyner --- Judith Tyner --- jztyner@earthlink.net "I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once"--Ashleigh Brilliant Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:50:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl I have been studying embroidered globes and maps for over 15 years. The earliest Westtown globe I have found is in a private collection and has a "pedigree" that indicates it was made in 1804. They are indeed made of silk and canvas--the globe gores are made of silk with silk embroidery and inked names but they cover a canvas sphere that is stuffed with fiber, probably wool. Judith Tyner Department of Geography CSU Long Beach _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: krogt@pop.geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:29:16 +0200 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: Peter van der Krogt Subject: Re: [MapHist] Embroidered globes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl These globes are shortly described in; Deborah J. Warner, The Geography of Heaven and Earth. In: Rittenhouse: Journal of the American Scientific Instrument Enterprise vol. 2, nos. 1, 2, 3 and 4 (1988), pp. 14-32, 52-64, 88-104, and 109-137. In this inventory of American globes to 1900, the Westtown globes are on pp. 133 (sub Westtown School), p. 130 (Edith B. Stockton [one of the students, with a photo, her globes are in the DAR Museum - I can't find a list of abbreviations in the article]), and p. 62 E.C Feeks (a student of Silas Cornell's School). Peter At 03:20 28-3-2005, you wrote: > Friday I was at the Chester County Historical Society and took the time >to look at an exhibit - on time. Mostly clocks, but there was an orrery and >a few maps. What stood out was a pair of globes, terrestrial and celestial, >which were embroidered. The attribution was "Westtown School," a source of >many enbroidered maps. CCHS is located at 225 North High St., West Chester, >PA 19380. > > JBP > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Dr Peter van der Krogt Map Historian, Explokart Research Program Faculty of Geo-sciences, University of Utrecht P.O. Box 80.115 3508 TC UTRECHT, The Netherlands e-mail: peter@vanderkrogt.net Homepage: MapHist: Genealogy: Elementymology: Columbus Monuments: YYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PER ANGUSTA AD AUGUSTA YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl From: F.Herbert@RGS.org To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: RE: [MapHist] Embroidered globes Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:17:35 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl These globes are also described in the following article- The globe samplers of Westtown Boarding School / Beth Meree. - In Sampler & Antique Needlework Quarterly (Birmingham AL : Symbol of Excellence Publishers Inc.), Spring 2000, 18, 58-63 : col. ill. - 10 notes & refs. - Includes 'Globe sampler appendix with archaic spelling preserved': listing of 9 terrestrial globes (of c. 30 known) of between 4 inches and 6 inches in diam. (some anon.) of 1814/15 to 1839/41 still in Westtown School (p.62-63). - Also notes 7 other celestial & terrestrial Westtown globes in other institutions in USA. - ISSN 1061-6756 This information is taken from the 'Imago Mundi Bibliography' in vol. 53 (2001), entry no.01:53(236). Francis Herbert (Curator of Maps; Compiler of 'IM Bibliography', 1976-2005) f.herbert@rgs.org http://www.rgs.org [see 'Collections' - including some online catalogues] -----Original Message----- From: Peter van der Krogt [mailto:p.vanderkrogt@geog.uu.nl] Sent: 29 March 2005 09:29 To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: Re: [MapHist] Embroidered globes These globes are shortly described in; Deborah J. Warner, The Geography of Heaven and Earth. In: Rittenhouse: Journal of the American Scientific Instrument Enterprise vol. 2, nos. 1, 2, 3 and 4 (1988), pp. 14-32, 52-64, 88-104, and 109-137. In this inventory of American globes to 1900, the Westtown globes are on pp. 133 (sub Westtown School), p. 130 (Edith B. Stockton [one of the students, with a photo, her globes are in the DAR Museum - I can't find a list of abbreviations in the article]), and p. 62 E.C Feeks (a student of Silas Cornell's School). Peter At 03:20 28-3-2005, you wrote: > Friday I was at the Chester County Historical Society and took the time >to look at an exhibit - on time. Mostly clocks, but there was an orrery and >a few maps. What stood out was a pair of globes, terrestrial and celestial, >which were embroidered. The attribution was "Westtown School," a source of >many enbroidered maps. CCHS is located at 225 North High St., West Chester, >PA 19380. > > JBP > >_______________________________________________________________ >MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >the views of the author. >List Information: http://www.maphist.info YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Dr Peter van der Krogt Map Historian, Explokart Research Program Faculty of Geo-sciences, University of Utrecht P.O. Box 80.115 3508 TC UTRECHT, The Netherlands e-mail: peter@vanderkrogt.net Homepage: MapHist: Genealogy: Elementymology: Columbus Monuments: YYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PER ANGUSTA AD AUGUSTA YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Sender: aemt2@imap.hermes.cam.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:09:14 +0100 To: ARCHIVES-NRA@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, SCOTSLINK@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, GEM@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, carto-soc@sheffield.ac.uk, lis-maps@jiscmail.ac.uk, libergdc-dg@nls.uk, maphist@geog.uu.nl, maps-l@listserv.uga.edu, ordnancemaps@yahoogroups.co.uk From: Anne Taylor Subject: [MapHist] Maps Training Course (Edinburgh) X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl The Map Curators' Group are pleased to announce a TRAINING COURSE for all those with maps in their care. Apologies for cross posting. “Wired for Maps: A basic course on electronic cartographic materials for map curators, librarians and archivists” 1-2 June 2005, Edinburgh The Map Curators’ Group of the British Cartographic Society is holding a training course on electronic cartographic materials for all librarians, archivists, curators – in fact anyone who has maps in their care. The course will be held in the National Library of Scotland in Edinburgh and will start after lunch on Wednesday 1 June with a session entitled Digitisation of material from your own collections. This aims to give some practical advice on how to plan and implement digitisation projects. The course will continue the following morning with a session on Organisation and acquisition of digital data. This will include a look at how to make the most of GIS technologies in the library, a discussion of metadata and a look at some of the map images that are already available on the web. You do not need to be a member of the British Cartographic Society to attend. The closing date for booking is 15 May 2005. The charge for the whole course is Ł55 (registration for part of the programme is also possible). The full programme and registration form are (or soon will be) available at http://www.cartography.org.uk/Pages/Membership/Curators/Training.html Or contact Anne Taylor (details below) for paper copies or if you need more information. Some advice on accommodation will be sent with the confirmation of your booking. Edinburgh is a lovely city to visit and is accessible from most parts of the country by train, plane and road. We hope that running the course over two days will assist those who need to travel some distance and will give attendees an opportunity to network informally on the Wednesday evening. Come along and share your experiences and talk through issues with some friendly faces. Anne Taylor Head of Map Department, Cambridge University Library, West Road, Cambridge CB3 9DR Tel: 01223-333041. Fax: 01223-333160. email: aemt2@cam.ac.uk http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/maps/Home.htm _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:46:49 -0500 From: John Woram Subject: Re: [MapHist] Maps Training Course (Edinburgh) To: maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl >The course will be held in the National Library of Scotland in Edinburgh >and will start after lunch on Wednesday 1 June. Lunch upstairs at the Tower Restaurant included in the registration fee of course. (Now, if only there weren't that rather large pond between New York and Edinburgh.) John Woram _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: Maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: Maphist@geog.uu.nl From: WJWarren@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:19:02 EST Subject: [MapHist] Union Catalog of Western US Maps To: Maphist@geog.uu.nl X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5038 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl

Dear MapHisters,

The California Map Society is pleased to announce a new addition to our website, www.californiamapsociety.org. You can now find reference to a Union Catalogue of nearly 700 historical printed maps of California and the West from three collections. These are the Huntington Library, Pasadena Museum of History, and the Altadena Historical Society. These maps are a selection from each collection; more maps are available on-site at the several institutions.

 

The format used is FileMaker Pro, a powerful database program which allows the inclusion in our database of 65 fields and as many as 10 digital photos of each map. The database is searchable on any of those fields. The Huntington templates are based on AACR2 rules; use Getty Geographical designations and US Library of Congress Authority records. You will be viewing the public version, so data such as tracking information does not appear although it is there for the cataloguers and researchers in the non-web version.

 

The Huntington Library is involved in two ways. First, they own the format for the templates used in cataloguing. These templates will be provided free of charge to any non-profit organization requesting them. To use them, they will have to now own or purchase the FileMaker Pro program. This program costs about $150 for non-profits.

 

Second, the Huntington Library is providing the server on which this Web version is running free of charge to the California Map Society. We ask that you enter through the California Map Society website’s home page to assure compliance with copyright memos of understanding signed with each collection. Our agreements call for non-profit uses only. Contacts are provided for inquiries at each institution.

 

The images in these files were taken using a hand-held 2.0 Meg digital camera with flash. They are not always perfect. This method does allow close-ups of some of the important parts of the maps without using high powered cameras or compression technology. All cataloguing and photography was done by volunteers at no cost to the hosting organizations.

 

The original intent was to allow on-site researchers to sort and view maps on computer. This limits both map handling and staff time at the library. Some 1600 maps from the Museum Book Store collection (printed maps purchased by Henry Huntington in the 1920’s and never previously catalogued) are now available in this manner on computer at the Huntington Library. A similar expanded version of this Union catalogue of Western maps will shortly be placed at each of the contributing institutions.

 

The web version currently running is a work in progress; we have several changes we will be incorporating. There have also been server problems. If you try to access the Union Catalogue and it doesn’t connect, please try again at a later time.

 

We are aware that most libraries have their own map cataloguing system in place. We see favorable application of this system for historical societies or other smaller collections. Some of you may be interested to know that the Roy V. Boswell Collection at Cal State Fullerton is currently being catalogued using this system. Their goal is to seek a grant to make this entire 1500 map collection available to the world.

We welcome your comments or suggestions.

Bill Warren, volunteer printed map cataloguer, Huntington Library, San Marino, CA.

wjwarren@aol.com.

 
X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 X-Original-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Delivered-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:56:35 -0600 From: Angie Cope User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: maphist@geog.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] American Geographical Society Library Fellowships for 2006 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 129.89.7.48 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl Sender: owner-maphist@pop.geog.uu.nl Reply-To: maphist@geog.uu.nl List-Info: http://www.maphist.info X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at geog.uu.nl American Geographical Society Library Fellowships for 2006 The American Geographical Society Library, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Libraries, welcomes applications for two short-term fellowship programs: McColl Research Program fellowships. This is a new short-term fellowship program available to individuals who wish to communicate their geographical research results to a broad, educated general audience. Awards of $3000 for four-week fellowships will be provided to support residencies for the purpose of conducting research that makes direct use of the Library, and results in publication in a mutually agreed outlet. Helen and John S. Best Research Fellowships. Stipends of $375 per week, for periods up to 4 weeks, will be awarded to support residencies for the purpose of conducting research that makes direct use of the Library. The AGS Library, the former research library and map collection of the American Geographical Society of New York, has strengths in geography, cartography and a variety of related historical topics. Applications must be received by October 21, 2005. All fellowships are tenable in 2006. For further information, write, call or e-mail the AGS Library, P.O. Box 399, Milwaukee, WI 53201-0399, Tel. (414) 229-6282, E-mail agsl@uwm.edu. Web site: http://www.uwm.edu/Libraries/AGSL/fellowships.html _______________________________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.info